RE: [nsp] BGP Multihoming -how to announce backup route???

From: Bob's Lists (bob.lists@raha.com)
Date: Fri Nov 23 2001 - 17:56:08 EST


> Nevertheless, you wouldn't lose much by announcing the /19 in addition to
> the individual networks - in which case I can filter out all /24s and
> still reach you just fine.

The problem (in my case) is that I am forced to NOT use the same or even similarly connected upstream routes, for some of my locations. Some go through Teleglobe, Taide, C&W, Level3.

> You're NOT the people I'm talking about, though

This is the point - I am, sort of. Were you to implement your filters, I would lose connectivity to you so I would be forced to:

> On the other hand: it might make sense for you to use PA networks from
> the respective upstream providers. But this is also not a solution for
> everyone.

In fact I do have a /24 from one of them. However they are so incompetent, that after 18 months I still don't have RDNS authority for the /24 assigned to me (not for lack of trying, trust me). Would YOU use any netblock, you didn't have RDNS control over? No RDNS, and stuff starts breaking - starting with mail delivery which in itself, is sufficient reason to avoid using it.

> Now I have to turn the question around: how do I do this?

Ah, now you have the unanswerable question. If you do find an answer, perhaps you'd consider attacking spam as your next project :) Frankly, I think you're beating your head against the wall and you have said as much yourself in acknowledging that you face an impossible task. For sure, though, continued efforts to educate those who announce /24's and smaller is a step forward, if a small one. I can't honestly see the 'problem' getting any better - for every one you educate another one will pop up who needs a spoonful of clue - such is the nature of this industry, unfortunately.

> (On the other hand, I *do* wish to reduce the load on our routers, and
> filtering on allocation boundaries for network blocks from other
> continents seems like a good start...).

I think our time would be better spent beating people like Cisco around the head, for their insane pricing. I have 1.5Gb of perfectly good memory in this workstation, for goodness sakes, that cost me a fraction of what 256Mb costs in a router... I feel your pain ($50k is no joke) but I think you're venting the result of the pain, on the wrong people... the routing table's not going to get a whole lot smaller in the foreseeable future, despite our best efforts...

Regards

Bob



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