From alexm at ndtel.com Thu Feb 25 10:09:31 2010 From: alexm at ndtel.com (Alex Moen) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:09:31 -0600 Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 Message-ID: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone upgraded to Minerva 4 yet? Experiences you'd like to share? Advice? We're getting pressure from Minerva to upgrade; their answer for any problems we're seeing is "Upgrade to 4... No one's having any problems with it... It's stable!" Thanks! Alex -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkuGkqsACgkQgIyiV0nrWN3xfgCdHb+Bz1fEIBHclVmvcc0kJtfL z3sAnAi/LJmHMEPHFabNRD77HxS27t6Y =Pr9/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jaredgordon at wctatel.com Thu Feb 25 12:22:37 2010 From: jaredgordon at wctatel.com (Jared Gordon) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:22:37 -0600 Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 In-Reply-To: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> References: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> Message-ID: <117663081000D4488DAFA35D66A3CB0E010D30DB@dc1.WINNEBAGO.LOCAL> Not to hijack the conversation- but does anyone here use Innovative Systems middleware? We seriously considered Minerva before choosing Innovative, so I'm curious to hear people's experiences with Minerva as well. Regards, Jared -----Original Message----- From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Alex Moen Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:10 AM To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone upgraded to Minerva 4 yet? Experiences you'd like to share? Advice? We're getting pressure from Minerva to upgrade; their answer for any problems we're seeing is "Upgrade to 4... No one's having any problems with it... It's stable!" Thanks! Alex -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkuGkqsACgkQgIyiV0nrWN3xfgCdHb+Bz1fEIBHclVmvcc0kJtfL z3sAnAi/LJmHMEPHFabNRD77HxS27t6Y =Pr9/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ iptv-users mailing list iptv-users at puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users From john.watson at vtc.net Thu Feb 25 13:24:03 2010 From: john.watson at vtc.net (John Watson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:24:03 -0700 Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 In-Reply-To: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> References: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> Message-ID: <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A8FA@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> Alex, We moved from the Myrio 3.7 platform to Minerva 4.0 and have had relatively few issues with it. The only caveat is that we are still running the older 3.2 software on the set top boxes, both Amino and Entone. There were some issues with the 4.0 clients that we were not willing to subject our customers too, so we opted for the older client when we cut into service last month. Those issues have since been fixed on the 4.0 SP1 HP1 client, but we have not yet deployed it. We intend to wait and let others discover any new problems. Feel free to call me if you have any specific questions or concerns. While far from an expert, I am opinionated . John Watson Network Engineering Valley Telecom Group (520) 384-8974 There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -----Original Message----- From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Alex Moen Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:10 AM To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone upgraded to Minerva 4 yet? Experiences you'd like to share? Advice? We're getting pressure from Minerva to upgrade; their answer for any problems we're seeing is "Upgrade to 4... No one's having any problems with it... It's stable!" Thanks! Alex -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkuGkqsACgkQgIyiV0nrWN3xfgCdHb+Bz1fEIBHclVmvcc0kJtfL z3sAnAi/LJmHMEPHFabNRD77HxS27t6Y =Pr9/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ iptv-users mailing list iptv-users at puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users From rick.kerr at ptci.net Thu Feb 25 14:24:34 2010 From: rick.kerr at ptci.net (Rick Kerr) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:24:34 -0600 Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 In-Reply-To: <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A8FA@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> References: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A8FA@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> Message-ID: <8170D368F376AC46A1E03DC109F38A740E534A804D@SIRIUS> John, We did go through those initial Minerva 4.0 issues after moving from Myrio 3.7; but since upgrading to the 4.0 SP1 release, the system has stabilized greatly. We still have about 1500 of the old Amino 110's; and are using using another 300 or so ADB 3800 and 5810 set top boxes for HD and DVR. Coming from where we were last year at this time to where we are today, we are so far very pleased. Rick Kerr Panhandle Telephone Guymon, OK 580-338-2556 -----Original Message----- From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of John Watson Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:24 PM To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 Alex, We moved from the Myrio 3.7 platform to Minerva 4.0 and have had relatively few issues with it. The only caveat is that we are still running the older 3.2 software on the set top boxes, both Amino and Entone. There were some issues with the 4.0 clients that we were not willing to subject our customers too, so we opted for the older client when we cut into service last month. Those issues have since been fixed on the 4.0 SP1 HP1 client, but we have not yet deployed it. We intend to wait and let others discover any new problems. Feel free to call me if you have any specific questions or concerns. While far from an expert, I am opinionated . John Watson Network Engineering Valley Telecom Group (520) 384-8974 There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -----Original Message----- From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Alex Moen Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:10 AM To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone upgraded to Minerva 4 yet? Experiences you'd like to share? Advice? We're getting pressure from Minerva to upgrade; their answer for any problems we're seeing is "Upgrade to 4... No one's having any problems with it... It's stable!" Thanks! Alex -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkuGkqsACgkQgIyiV0nrWN3xfgCdHb+Bz1fEIBHclVmvcc0kJtfL z3sAnAi/LJmHMEPHFabNRD77HxS27t6Y =Pr9/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ iptv-users mailing list iptv-users at puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users _______________________________________________ iptv-users mailing list iptv-users at puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users This message is intended only for the persons or entities to which it is addressed. The information transmitted herein may contain proprietary or confidential material. Review, reproduction, retransmission, distribution, disclosure or other use, and any consequent action taken by persons or entities other than intended recipients, are prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this information from your system and contact the sender. The information contained herein is subject to change without notice. Although reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present, the sender makes no warranty or guaranty with respect thereto, and is not responsible for any loss or damage arising from the receipt or use of this email or attachments hereto. From john.watson at vtc.net Thu Feb 25 16:37:23 2010 From: john.watson at vtc.net (John Watson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:37:23 -0700 Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 In-Reply-To: <8170D368F376AC46A1E03DC109F38A740E534A804D@SIRIUS> References: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A8FA@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> <8170D368F376AC46A1E03DC109F38A740E534A804D@SIRIUS> Message-ID: <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A96C@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> Rick, So far we are very pleased as well. The issues that we have seen with the 4.0 SP1 client were very small. But having come from the Myrio environment, we decided that we would never again subject our customers to any bad experience that we could avoid. John Watson Network Engineering Valley Telecom Group (520) 384-8974 There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -----Original Message----- From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Rick Kerr Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:25 PM To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 John, We did go through those initial Minerva 4.0 issues after moving from Myrio 3.7; but since upgrading to the 4.0 SP1 release, the system has stabilized greatly. We still have about 1500 of the old Amino 110's; and are using using another 300 or so ADB 3800 and 5810 set top boxes for HD and DVR. Coming from where we were last year at this time to where we are today, we are so far very pleased. Rick Kerr Panhandle Telephone Guymon, OK 580-338-2556 -----Original Message----- From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of John Watson Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:24 PM To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 Alex, We moved from the Myrio 3.7 platform to Minerva 4.0 and have had relatively few issues with it. The only caveat is that we are still running the older 3.2 software on the set top boxes, both Amino and Entone. There were some issues with the 4.0 clients that we were not willing to subject our customers too, so we opted for the older client when we cut into service last month. Those issues have since been fixed on the 4.0 SP1 HP1 client, but we have not yet deployed it. We intend to wait and let others discover any new problems. Feel free to call me if you have any specific questions or concerns. While far from an expert, I am opinionated . John Watson Network Engineering Valley Telecom Group (520) 384-8974 There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -----Original Message----- From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Alex Moen Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:10 AM To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone upgraded to Minerva 4 yet? Experiences you'd like to share? Advice? We're getting pressure from Minerva to upgrade; their answer for any problems we're seeing is "Upgrade to 4... No one's having any problems with it... It's stable!" Thanks! Alex -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkuGkqsACgkQgIyiV0nrWN3xfgCdHb+Bz1fEIBHclVmvcc0kJtfL z3sAnAi/LJmHMEPHFabNRD77HxS27t6Y =Pr9/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ iptv-users mailing list iptv-users at puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users _______________________________________________ iptv-users mailing list iptv-users at puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users This message is intended only for the persons or entities to which it is addressed. The information transmitted herein may contain proprietary or confidential material. Review, reproduction, retransmission, distribution, disclosure or other use, and any consequent action taken by persons or entities other than intended recipients, are prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this information from your system and contact the sender. 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Although reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present, the sender makes no warranty or guaranty with respect thereto, and is not responsible for any loss or damage arising from the receipt or use of this email or attachments hereto. _______________________________________________ iptv-users mailing list iptv-users at puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users From alexm at ndtel.com Thu Feb 25 17:31:42 2010 From: alexm at ndtel.com (Alex Moen) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:31:42 -0600 Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 In-Reply-To: <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A96C@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> References: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A8FA@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> <8170D368F376AC46A1E03DC109F38A740E534A804D@SIRIUS> <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A96C@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> Message-ID: <2AFC1A3F-4541-4C69-BA4E-5C4BA8979C9C@ndtel.com> John, We started out on Minerva 2.1. We had a rough time getting to Minerva 3.2, lots of issues, but now that we're here, it's very stable and consistent, and has been for over a year now. The problems that we are seeing, though, Minerva is kind of balking on helping us with because we are not at 4.0.whatever. But, we are hesitant to move to 4 because 3.2 is stable and customers are now finally feeling comfortable with us. So it's kind of hard to consider fixing something that really isn't broken, to get assistance with isolated problems. Also, does anyone else ever ask Minerva for features, and if so, have you been successful in seeing those features developed and deployed? I have a list of feature requests dating from as far back as early 2007 that I haven't yet seen added. Here are a few: 1. Guide display adjustable *per stb*, so that a small 13" TV and a 46" HDTV can have different numbers of lines and columns in the same household 2. Ability to sort guide data by channel name rather than channel number. 3. Ability to make copies of channel lineups in the back office, to make creating new lineups easier. 4. Ability to see VOD space available in the back office. I don't really think that these requests are out-of-line or would be extraordinarily difficult to program, and I think that they would be received Minerva's customers very well, but I just don't see any forward movement on any of them. Also, I don't see the "whiz-bang" capabilities that being on an IP platform allows being developed by Minerva either. It's really disappointing that we have these wonderful IP networks that we could do so much with and we aren't taking advantage of them in order to provide a better, more intense experience than traditional cable can... We're just keeping up with the cable industry, not exceeding it, like Minerva promised us so many years ago. As much as I dislike Micro$oft products, it may be the only one out there that can provide "coolness" and new ideas. It's really kind of depressing. Sorry about the rant... I didn't mean for it to turn into that... Alex On Feb 25, 2010, at 3:37 PM, John Watson wrote: > Rick, > So far we are very pleased as well. The issues that we have seen > with the 4.0 SP1 client were very small. But having come from the > Myrio environment, we decided that we would never again subject our > customers to any bad experience that we could avoid. > > John Watson > Network Engineering > Valley Telecom Group > (520) 384-8974 > > There's no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net > ] On Behalf Of Rick Kerr > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:25 PM > To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net > Subject: Re: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 > > John, > We did go through those initial Minerva 4.0 issues after moving from > Myrio 3.7; but since upgrading to the 4.0 SP1 release, the system > has stabilized greatly. > We still have about 1500 of the old Amino 110's; and are using using > another 300 or so ADB 3800 and 5810 set top boxes for HD and DVR. > Coming from where we were last year at this time to where we are > today, we are so far very pleased. > > Rick Kerr > Panhandle Telephone > Guymon, OK > 580-338-2556 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net > ] On Behalf Of John Watson > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:24 PM > To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net > Subject: Re: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 > > Alex, > We moved from the Myrio 3.7 platform to Minerva 4.0 and have had > relatively few issues with it. The only caveat is that we are still > running the older 3.2 software on the set top boxes, both Amino and > Entone. There were some issues with the 4.0 clients that we were not > willing to subject our customers too, so we opted for the older > client when we cut into service last month. Those issues have since > been fixed on the 4.0 SP1 HP1 client, but we have not yet deployed > it. We intend to wait and let others discover any new problems. > > Feel free to call me if you have any specific questions or concerns. > While far from an expert, I am opinionated . > > John Watson > Network Engineering > Valley Telecom Group > (520) 384-8974 > > There's no place like 127.0.0.1 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net > ] On Behalf Of Alex Moen > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:10 AM > To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net > Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone upgraded to Minerva 4 yet? Experiences you'd like to > share? Advice? > > We're getting pressure from Minerva to upgrade; their answer for any > problems we're seeing is "Upgrade to 4... No one's having any problems > with it... It's stable!" > > Thanks! > > Alex > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkuGkqsACgkQgIyiV0nrWN3xfgCdHb+Bz1fEIBHclVmvcc0kJtfL > z3sAnAi/LJmHMEPHFabNRD77HxS27t6Y > =Pr9/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > iptv-users mailing list > iptv-users at puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users > > > _______________________________________________ > iptv-users mailing list > iptv-users at puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users > > This message is intended only for the persons or entities to which > it is addressed. The information transmitted herein may contain > proprietary or confidential material. Review, reproduction, > retransmission, distribution, disclosure or other use, and any > consequent action taken by persons or entities other than intended > recipients, are prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the > intended recipient, please delete this information from your system > and contact the sender. The information contained herein is subject > to change without notice. Although reasonable precautions have been > taken to ensure that no viruses are present, the sender makes no > warranty or guaranty with respect thereto, and is not responsible > for any loss or damage arising from the receipt or use of this email > or attachments hereto. > > _______________________________________________ > iptv-users mailing list > iptv-users at puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users > > > _______________________________________________ > iptv-users mailing list > iptv-users at puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/iptv-users From dwhite at olp.net Thu Feb 25 18:17:45 2010 From: dwhite at olp.net (Dan White) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:17:45 -0600 Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 In-Reply-To: <2AFC1A3F-4541-4C69-BA4E-5C4BA8979C9C@ndtel.com> References: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A8FA@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> <8170D368F376AC46A1E03DC109F38A740E534A804D@SIRIUS> <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A96C@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> <2AFC1A3F-4541-4C69-BA4E-5C4BA8979C9C@ndtel.com> Message-ID: <20100225231745.GN4733@dan.olp.net> On 25/02/10?16:31?-0600, Alex Moen wrote: > I don't really think that these requests are out-of-line or would be > extraordinarily difficult to program, and I think that they would be > received Minerva's customers very well, but I just don't see any forward > movement on any of them. Also, I don't see the "whiz-bang" capabilities > that being on an IP platform allows being developed by Minerva either. > It's really disappointing that we have these wonderful IP networks that > we could do so much with and we aren't taking advantage of them in order > to provide a better, more intense experience than traditional cable > can... We're just keeping up with the cable industry, not exceeding it, > like Minerva promised us so many years ago. > > As much as I dislike Micro$oft products, it may be the only one out > there that can provide "coolness" and new ideas. It's really kind of > depressing. I feel much the same way about our vendor (which is not Minerva). I've asked for features years ago that would allow us to add our own services to the customer interface, but those features had been seen as secondary to more pressing features. I feel like we're moving at a snails pace towards what I would like to see us offer customers, rather than what the middleware vendor anticipates. I wish someone would develop a strong STB toolkit, rather than a "polished" customer interface. I'm much more intrigued by a DIY environment, like I'm used to in open source, than a product on a platter like we have today. -- Dan White From frnkblk at iname.com Thu Feb 25 22:01:37 2010 From: frnkblk at iname.com (Frank Bulk) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:01:37 -0600 Subject: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 In-Reply-To: <2AFC1A3F-4541-4C69-BA4E-5C4BA8979C9C@ndtel.com> References: <55C340FB-9CB1-497D-B3BF-DC2396D3EC79@ndtel.com> <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A8FA@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> <8170D368F376AC46A1E03DC109F38A740E534A804D@SIRIUS> <5600C9CFD5216841BEC7C44DAF0FA966DBC578A96C@EX2007.corp.vtc.net> <2AFC1A3F-4541-4C69-BA4E-5C4BA8979C9C@ndtel.com> Message-ID: I can't agree more. It seems that (almost) every IPTV middleware vendor is working hard to get to the "me too" status with the RF products, but not exceed. Hopefully more IPTV middleware vendors do some of the things that MSFT is. Frank -----Original Message----- From: iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:iptv-users-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Alex Moen Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:32 PM To: iptv-users at puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [iptv-users] Minerva 4 Also, I don't see the "whiz-bang" capabilities that being on an IP platform allows being developed by Minerva either. It's really disappointing that we have these wonderful IP networks that we could do so much with and we aren't taking advantage of them in order to provide a better, more intense experience than traditional cable can... We're just keeping up with the cable industry, not exceeding it, like Minerva promised us so many years ago. As much as I dislike Micro$oft products, it may be the only one out there that can provide "coolness" and new ideas. It's really kind of depressing. Sorry about the rant... I didn't mean for it to turn into that... Alex