From vickyr@socal.rr.com Sat May 29 21:18:37 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.0.Alpha0/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i4U1IaeA046341 for ; Sat, 29 May 2004 21:18:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from vickyr@socal.rr.com) X-Envelope-From: vickyr@socal.rr.com Received: from [192.168.2.2] (cpe-24-30-181-126.socal.rr.com [24.30.181.126]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4U1IEXr022951; Sat, 29 May 2004 18:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40B9365E.4030306@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 18:18:22 -0700 From: Vicky Rode User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Edward B. Dreger" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Gordon Cook , nanog@merit.edu, nsp-qos@puck.nether.net Subject: [Nsp-qos] Re: best effort has economic problems X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vickyr@socal.rr.com List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 01:18:37 -0000 interesting reading.... http://mail.internet2.edu:8080/guest/archives/qbone-arch-dt/log200205/msg00000.html regards, /vicky Edward B. Dreger wrote: > GC> Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:53:17 -0400 > GC> From: Gordon Cook > > > GC> The point I am making in my report is NOT that the best > GC> effort network has technology problems but rather that it has > GC> ECONOMIC PROBLEMS. That it might support 2 or 3 players not > GC> 2 or 3 HUNDRED. > > Best effort is cheaper to provide. Cheaper sells. Is there > enough of a market to sustain premium services? IP-based VPNs > haven't replaced FR and PtP WAN links, but FR and PtP haven't > thwarted IP-based VPNs. > > > GC> That until companies begin to go chapter seven and vanish, > GC> the best effort net will be a black hole that burns up > GC> capital because, for many players, the OPERATIONAL expense is > GC> more than they get for bandwidth never mind cap-ex. > > Definitely true about opex and capex... but I'm not convinced > that QoS is the magic bullet that will make the marketplace big > enough and profitable enough. I don't see service offerings > fixing the woes of screwball pricing. > > > GC> best effort won't go away. many best effort players will. > > If all best effort players provided QoS/guaranteed services, > would the survival rate be significantly higher as a result? > > > GC> for the time being, best effort bandwidth prices as an > GC> absolute commodity cannot sustain networks over the long > GC> haul. A network that can deliver QoS the report hypothesizes > GC> may be able to attract enough revenue to become profitable. > > That's where I'm not convinced. Current IP delineates the lower > reliability boundary and a benchmark price point. Premium > services won't have a lower cost than best-effort, so they must > sell for more. Would the incremental service improvements be > high enough to draw customers away from cheap BE _and_ support > "sufficient" margins? > > First class hasn't stopped the cycle of airline bankruptcies and > government bailouts. I don't see "first class data" as much > different. > > > GC> How to to this my group is still discussing. We don't > GC> pretend that QoS is easy or any kind of mature collection of > GC> technologies, but increasingly it looks as though the > GC> industry, if it is ever going to be self sustaining, really > GC> needs to look at QoS services and solutions. > > Perhaps, but only if the price is right. DSL sells better than > Internet T1 lines, which sell better than end-to-end private > lines and packet clouds. There's a reason for that. > > > Eddy > -- > EverQuick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ > A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ > Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building > Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national > Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita > _________________________________________________________________ > DO NOT send mail to the following addresses : > blacklist@brics.com -or- alfra@intc.net -or- curbjmp@intc.net > Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. > > From vickyr@socal.rr.com Sun May 30 14:32:29 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.0.Alpha0/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i4UIWTvJ020848 for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 14:32:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from vickyr@socal.rr.com) X-Envelope-From: vickyr@socal.rr.com Received: from [192.168.2.2] (cpe-24-30-181-126.socal.rr.com [24.30.181.126]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4UIVgXr017063; Sun, 30 May 2004 11:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40BA2898.9060301@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 11:31:52 -0700 From: Vicky Rode User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nanog@merit.edu, nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Subject: [Nsp-qos] tools for traffic engineering networks X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vickyr@socal.rr.com List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:32:29 -0000 Hi there, I'm curious to know what tools (in traffic engineering arena) people use in order to manage and verify their service assurance that they are providing and / or receiving they think they are. How do you know the policers are functioning correctly? How do you know whether your service provider and / or your internal traffic is not being over-book? Any recommendations, thoughts, white papers, pointers will be greatly appreciated. regards, /vicky From vickyr@socal.rr.com Sun Jun 13 17:48:42 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.135]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.0.Alpha0/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5DLmfAs014510; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:48:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from vickyr@socal.rr.com) X-Envelope-From: vickyr@socal.rr.com Received: from [192.168.2.2] (cpe-24-30-174-127.socal.rr.com [24.30.174.127]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i5DLmcOD026450; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40CCCBB6.1060204@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:48:38 -0700 From: Vicky User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net Subject: [Nsp-qos] design related question X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vickyr@socal.rr.com List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:48:42 -0000 Hi there, Just want to hear your thoughts (pros and cons) on placing qos appliance between the below choke points. (a) appliance sitting between internal lan<->appliance<->dmz<->pix<->edge router<->wan cloud. or (b) appliance sitting between wan cloud<->edge router<->appliance<->dmz<->pix<->internal lan Currently this appliance supports the following qos components w/ 45mbps support on eth0 and eth1: -- shaping -- buffering -- policing Any pointers to white papers, similar deployment, lesson learned or simply your feedback will be appreciated. regards, /vicky From Joshua@kainmg.com Wed Jul 14 15:19:31 2004 Received: from mail.11five.com (listenresearch.com [66.7.170.197]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.0/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6EJJV86072941 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:19:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Joshua@kainmg.com) X-Envelope-From: Joshua@kainmg.com Received: from Desktop [216.233.207.133] by mail.11five.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A5CA28400EE; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:13:14 -0700 From: "Joshua Lopez" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:19:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: AcRp129fca8ufzUgSt+oXT6iKmLfdQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <200407141213390.SM01508@Desktop> Subject: [Nsp-qos] [OT] Job Opportunity for QOS Architect X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:19:31 -0000 Hello members of NSP-QOS, Our client is in immediate need for a QOS Architect in the Bay Area. Below is a description of the opportunity. If you would like to express interest, my contact info is below. If you are not interested in the opportunity yourself, please do forward it to anyone you know who might be interested. ------------------------- ** Wanted: QOS Architect ** Our client develops innovative edge networking products for enterprise and service provider markets. They offer enterprises and managed service providers unified edge networking solutions that simplify the complexity and challenges associated with remote office connectivity. Responsibilities: Architect and implement high performance software based Quality of Service capabilities to deliver best of class IP solutions. Responsibilities will include all phases of product development from requirements, specification, and development to working customer issues. In this role, you will provide the technical leadership, work with marketing, customers, and industry partners through the overall product technology requirements identification, specification, design, and validation. Required Skills/Knowledge: Prior participation in a full product cycle of quality of service solutions is required. Strong experience in specifying technology and system requirements for network solutions is required. Tracking of current industry standards and RFC's a must, participation in RFC peer review process desired. Strong knowledge of Internet protocols and technology trends as well as an understanding of Enterprise or Service provider networks is a must. Excellent communication skills are a must. Qualifications: Bachelors degree in CS/EE and 4-6 years directly related experience in inter networking and embedded system solutions is required. Location: San Francisco Bay Area Qualified candidates should send their resume to Josh Lopez at joshua@kainmg.com or call 650-627-9919. --------------------- Best Regards, Josh Josh Lopez Kain Management Group, LLC 1650 Borel Place, Suite 125 San Mateo, CA 94402 joshua@kainmg.com (650) 627-9919 www.kainmg.com From Albo@prima.com.ar Tue Oct 26 14:18:17 2004 Received: from relayprima.int.prima.com.ar (relay.prima.com.ar [200.42.0.183]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i9QIIGZ0008326 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:18:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Albo@prima.com.ar) X-Envelope-From: Albo@prima.com.ar Received: from prima20.int.prima.com.ar ([172.16.32.20]) by relayprima.int.prima.com.ar with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:18:14 -0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:18:14 -0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: BW Management solutions advice Thread-Index: AcS7iCdK8wKGOc3yQsaujuGzegpxpg== From: "Albinati, Luis Martin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2004 18:18:14.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[28A7D2D0:01C4BB88] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by puck.nether.net id i9QIIGZ0008326 Subject: [Nsp-qos] BW Management solutions advice X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:18:17 -0000 Hi, I am considering some bandwidth management solutions and would like to know if some of you people have had some real world experiences with this kind of boxes. More specifically I am looking at some Large-ISP or Carrier-Grade solutions with at least the following specifications: >= 1Gbps traffic capacity >500k simultaneous connections Layer 7 stateful packet inspection (via protocol signatures and/or protocol analysis) Traffic prioritization, shaping, QoS and bandwidth provisioning based on custom defined policies (vlan id, ip ranges, tos, time of day, etc) possibility to easily update and deploy new or modified protocol definitions without affecting availability. In the past days I've been analyzing solutions from Allot, P-Cube, Caspian Networks and Ellacoya, and some of them would seem to be fine, but I would like to know if you have had experiences with these or other products that might fit for the job. I would greatly appreciate all the advices, recommendations or suggestions that you may want to share about this. FYI, so you can get the idea of the levels of traffic we are handling nowadays, I work at a dialup and broadband (cable and dsl) ISP. Thanks in advance. Regards, Luis M. Albinati Prima S.A. Argentina (AS10481) From vickyr@socal.rr.com Thu Oct 28 20:26:39 2004 Received: from host62.ipowerweb.com (host62.ipowerweb.com [66.235.195.162]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i9T0Qd71040798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:26:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from vickyr@socal.rr.com) X-Envelope-From: vickyr@socal.rr.com Received: from [209.11.160.163] (helo=[209.11.160.163]) by host62.ipowerweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CNKb9-0004J5-AL; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:26:31 -0700 Message-ID: <41818E33.7010407@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:26:27 -0700 From: Vicky User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Albinati, Luis Martin" Subject: Re: [Nsp-qos] BW Management solutions advice References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host62.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - puck.nether.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - socal.rr.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vickyr@socal.rr.com List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:26:40 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Luis, sorry for not getting back w/ you sooner. you could look into ellacoya.com. i ran into these guys when working w/ a customer in mexico. they are located in boston (i think). these guys have some interesting offering which might fit your needs. on the open-source side there are whole bunch of solution available, such as tc+htb, http://www.bandwidtharbitrator.com/ and many more. hth, regards, /vicky Albinati, Luis Martin wrote: | Hi, | | I am considering some bandwidth management solutions and would like to | know if some of you people have had some real world experiences with | this kind of boxes. More specifically I am looking at some Large-ISP or | Carrier-Grade solutions with at least the following specifications: | | |>= 1Gbps traffic capacity |>500k simultaneous connections | | Layer 7 stateful packet inspection (via protocol signatures and/or | protocol analysis) Traffic prioritization, shaping, QoS and bandwidth | provisioning based on custom defined policies (vlan id, ip ranges, tos, | time of day, etc) possibility to easily update and deploy new or | modified protocol definitions without affecting availability. | | In the past days I've been analyzing solutions from Allot, P-Cube, | Caspian Networks and Ellacoya, and some of them would seem to be fine, | but I would like to know if you have had experiences with these or other | products that might fit for the job. I would greatly appreciate all the | advices, recommendations or suggestions that you may want to share about | this. | | FYI, so you can get the idea of the levels of traffic we are handling | nowadays, I work at a dialup and broadband (cable and dsl) ISP. | | Thanks in advance. | | Regards, | | Luis M. Albinati | Prima S.A. Argentina (AS10481) | | _______________________________________________ | nsp-qos mailing list | nsp-qos@puck.nether.net | https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/nsp-qos | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBgY4zpbZvCIJx1bcRArWwAKDYnlks4PvO0oJj7pnguAEAKpaIOgCgozIj FGRSUaoovnVZUxdWW3fNnC8= =pkrO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vickyr@socal.rr.com Thu Oct 28 20:36:53 2004 Received: from host62.ipowerweb.com (host62.ipowerweb.com [66.235.195.162]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i9T0aqJI041407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:36:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from vickyr@socal.rr.com) X-Envelope-From: vickyr@socal.rr.com Received: from [209.11.160.163] (helo=[209.11.160.163]) by host62.ipowerweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CNKl0-00086E-F8; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:36:42 -0700 Message-ID: <41819097.7000108@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:36:39 -0700 From: Vicky User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vickyr@socal.rr.com Subject: Re: [Nsp-qos] BW Management solutions advice References: <41818E33.7010407@socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41818E33.7010407@socal.rr.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host62.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - puck.nether.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - socal.rr.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: "Albinati, Luis Martin" , nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vickyr@socal.rr.com List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:36:54 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 i see you've already looked at ellacoya, sorry. i personally like what they have to offer except their gui could be little confusing at times but overall i like what they have to offer. hth, regards, /vicky Vicky wrote: | Hi Luis, | | sorry for not getting back w/ you sooner. you could look into | ellacoya.com. i ran into these guys when working w/ a customer in | mexico. they are located in boston (i think). | | these guys have some interesting offering which might fit your needs. on | the open-source side there are whole bunch of solution available, such | as tc+htb, http://www.bandwidtharbitrator.com/ and many more. | | | hth, | | regards, | /vicky | | Albinati, Luis Martin wrote: | | Hi, | | | | I am considering some bandwidth management solutions and would like to | | know if some of you people have had some real world experiences with | | this kind of boxes. More specifically I am looking at some Large-ISP or | | Carrier-Grade solutions with at least the following specifications: | | | | | |>= 1Gbps traffic capacity | |>500k simultaneous connections | | | | Layer 7 stateful packet inspection (via protocol signatures and/or | | protocol analysis) Traffic prioritization, shaping, QoS and bandwidth | | provisioning based on custom defined policies (vlan id, ip ranges, tos, | | time of day, etc) possibility to easily update and deploy new or | | modified protocol definitions without affecting availability. | | | | In the past days I've been analyzing solutions from Allot, P-Cube, | | Caspian Networks and Ellacoya, and some of them would seem to be fine, | | but I would like to know if you have had experiences with these or other | | products that might fit for the job. I would greatly appreciate all the | | advices, recommendations or suggestions that you may want to share about | | this. | | | | FYI, so you can get the idea of the levels of traffic we are handling | | nowadays, I work at a dialup and broadband (cable and dsl) ISP. | | | | Thanks in advance. | | | | Regards, | | | | Luis M. Albinati | | Prima S.A. Argentina (AS10481) | | | | _______________________________________________ | | nsp-qos mailing list | | nsp-qos@puck.nether.net | | https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/nsp-qos | | _______________________________________________ nsp-qos mailing list nsp-qos@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/nsp-qos -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBgZCXpbZvCIJx1bcRAkn9AJ95a75FlfziXLdXJ4yYast2bTCjVgCfVS80 0cqrvwy/Ta3mwYLD+5jWvxM= =mUzv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vickyr@socal.rr.com Sat Nov 20 17:12:44 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAKMCilE075512 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:12:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from vickyr@socal.rr.com) X-Envelope-From: vickyr@socal.rr.com Received: from [192.168.2.4] (cpe-66-27-21-46.socal.rr.com [66.27.21.46] (may be forged)) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iAKMCM6V020827; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:12:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <419FC146.9040502@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:12:22 -0800 From: Vicky User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Donelan References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: nanog@merit.edu, nsp-qos@puck.nether.net Subject: [Nsp-qos] Re: Diffserv service classes X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vickyr@socal.rr.com List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:12:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ietfreport is timing out....here's another url for this draft. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-04.txt interesting read at: http://qbone.internet2.edu/papers/non-architectural-problems.txt regards, /vicky Sean Donelan wrote: | In the continuing effort to make Diffserv useful on the Internet, | the Transport Area working group has the draft: | | http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes/ | | The draft has a little bit for everyone. Lots of rope/flexibility for | application developers. But have any network operators thought how they | could actually support the framework in any meaningful way? And assuming | the network actually supported it, what happens when you throw such fine | grain differentiated traffic at the network? | | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBn8EfpbZvCIJx1bcRAn4mAKCAjZu5k89IVIDXajJW9tp2MmO4+QCgrFmM ojED2CtlqNO92BqCcnWcG6Y= =5lJL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From djerk.cisco@easynet.nl Mon Jan 17 11:59:37 2005 Received: from npd.nether.net (npd-la.nether.net [129.250.11.22]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0HGxDMa032589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:59:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from djerk.cisco@easynet.nl) X-Envelope-From: djerk.cisco@easynet.nl Received: from mta-ams-2.nl.easynet.net (mta-ams-2.nl.easynet.net [194.165.92.21]) by npd.nether.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0HEPmPa077868 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:25:49 GMT (envelope-from djerk.cisco@easynet.nl) Received: from mail.easynet.nl (mail1.enrtd.nl.easynet.net [195.86.128.62]) by mta-ams-2.nl.easynet.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0HEOVQO093909 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:24:31 +0100 (CET) X-EASYNET-FROM: X-EASYNET-TO: X-EASYNET-IP: mail1.enrtd.nl.easynet.net [195.86.128.62] X-EASYNET-HELO: mail.easynet.nl Received: from [213.201.128.140] (helo=lt005) by mail.easynet.nl with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1CqXnz-0003YZ-1V for nsp-qos@puck.nether.net; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:24:31 +0100 From: "Djerk Geurts" To: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:25:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4DAD8EAD28A25D4CAFCD895A942739A70940C3@ENNLMAIL01.easynet.nl.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-easynet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-easynet-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by puck.nether.net id j0HGxDMa032589 Subject: [Nsp-qos] QoS configuration & routing traffic X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:59:37 -0000 Hi, Using Cisco or Juniper should I configure queues for routing traffic? Afaik Cisco set's the precedence on their routing updates to 6 or 7 by default. So do I need to define queues for my routing traffic when configuring LLQ? Thanks From vickyr@socal.rr.com Mon Jan 17 12:37:49 2005 Received: from host62.ipowerweb.com (host62.ipowerweb.com [66.235.195.162]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0HHbmCj053681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:37:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from vickyr@socal.rr.com) X-Envelope-From: vickyr@socal.rr.com Received: from [209.11.160.163] (helo=[209.11.160.163]) by host62.ipowerweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Cqaot-0002zT-Ef; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:37:40 -0800 Message-ID: <41EBF7E0.1040305@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:37:36 -0800 From: Vicky Rode User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Djerk Geurts References: <4DAD8EAD28A25D4CAFCD895A942739A70940C3@ENNLMAIL01.easynet.nl.local> In-Reply-To: <4DAD8EAD28A25D4CAFCD895A942739A70940C3@ENNLMAIL01.easynet.nl.local> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host62.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - puck.nether.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - socal.rr.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net Subject: [Nsp-qos] Re: QoS configuration & routing traffic X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6b1 Precedence: list Reply-To: vickyr@socal.rr.com List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:37:49 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've left them alone by default. In other words, I haven't had to explicitly mark them. regards, /vicky Djerk Geurts wrote: | Hi, | | Using Cisco or Juniper should I configure queues for routing traffic? Afaik | Cisco set's the precedence on their routing updates to 6 or 7 by default. 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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1616315320-1135156969=:77730-- From vjamnal@sapient.com Thu Jun 8 05:02:08 2006 Received: from delmail1.sapient.com (lan-202-144-61-68.maa.sify.net [202.144.61.68] (may be forged)) by puck.nether.net (8.13.6/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k58926u9040684 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 05:02:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from vjamnal@sapient.com) X-Envelope-From: vjamnal@sapient.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C68ADA.339706C5" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:31:59 +0530 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: CBWFQ Issue | traffic is not getting policed to police-rate Thread-Index: AcaK2P7jNCoUoSJBQIi7fMVDaA7/1AAASgnQ From: "Virender S. Jamnal" To: Subject: [Nsp-qos] CBWFQ Issue | traffic is not getting policed to police-rate X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:02:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68ADA.339706C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All,=20 I have Cisco 7500 RSP Software (RSP-ISV-M), Version 12.2(23) with RSP4 processor. =20 I have a class based policy on my 2 serial interfaces, these serial interface perform CEF per packet load balancing between them.=20 Following policy implemented=20 Policy Map xyz=20 Class abc police 192000 6000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop serial int s4/1/0 service policy output xyz Serial4/1/0 is up, line protocol is up Hardware is cyBus Serial =20 Internet address is 10.102.4.50/30 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1984 Kbit, DLY 20000 usec, reliability 255/255, txload 246/255, rxload 69/255 Encapsulation PPP, crc 16, loopback not set Keepalive set (10 sec) Restart-Delay is 0 secs LCP Open Open: IPCP, CDPCP Last input 00:00:00, output 00:00:00, output hang never Last clearing of "show interface" counters 15:18:15 Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 198472 Queueing strategy: VIP-based fair queuing Output queue: 0/40 (size/max) 5 minute input rate 537000 bits/sec, 429 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 1916000 bits/sec, 424 packets/sec 12510343 packets input, 2105215688 bytes, 0 no buffer Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles 418 input errors, 405 CRC, 0 frame, 9 overrun, 1 ignored, 4 abort 13514241 packets output, 1606782508 bytes, 0 underruns 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out 0 carrier transitions RTS up, CTS up, DTR up, DCD up, DSR up serial int s4/1/3 service policy output xyz Hardware is cyBus Serial =20 Internet address is 10.102.4.54/30 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1984 Kbit, DLY 20000 usec, reliability 255/255, txload 248/255, rxload 66/255 Encapsulation PPP, crc 16, loopback not set Keepalive set (10 sec) Restart-Delay is 0 secs LCP Open Open: IPCP, CDPCP Last input 00:00:00, output 00:00:00, output hang never Last clearing of "show interface" counters 15:18:54 Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 177594 Queueing strategy: VIP-based fair queuing Output queue: 0/40 (size/max) 5 minute input rate 520000 bits/sec, 425 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 1932000 bits/sec, 435 packets/sec 12522467 packets input, 2109180590 bytes, 0 no buffer Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles 188 input errors, 180 CRC, 0 frame, 3 overrun, 0 ignored, 5 abort 13549502 packets output, 1659005050 bytes, 0 underruns 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out 0 carrier transitions RTS up, CTS up, DTR up, DCD up, DSR up Now, it seems like this CBWFQ policy is not getting interpreted correctly from yesterday and traffic is not getting policed to police-rate.=20 #sh policy interface Class-map: abc (match-all) 1778658 packets, 784085223 bytes 5 minute offered rate 699000 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: access-group name abc-qos police: 192000 bps, 6000 limit conformed 1395897 packets, 595895777 bytes; action: transmit exceeded 137993 packets, 89062519 bytes; action: drop conformed 0 bps, exceed 0 bps as you can see traffic is not dropped even after exceeding police-rate. This now causing the heavy util on IPLC circuit as traffic is well exceeding the police-rate Can somebody suggest what exactly could be the issue here?=20 Please let me know if any other info is required.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68ADA.339706C5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CBWFQ Issue | traffic is not getting policed to police-rate =

      Hello All,

      I = have Cisco 7500 RSP Software (RSP-ISV-M), Version 12.2(23) with RSP4 = processor. 

      I = have a class based policy on my 2 serial interfaces, these serial = interface perform CEF per packet load balancing between them. =

      Following policy implemented

      Policy Map xyz

      Class = abc

         police 192000 6000 conform-action transmit = exceed-action drop

      serial int s4/1/0

      service policy output xyz

      Serial4/1/0 is up, line protocol is up

        Hardware is cyBus Serial

       

        Internet address is = 10.102.4.50/30

        MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1984 Kbit, DLY 20000 = usec,

           reliability 255/255, txload = 246/255, rxload 69/255

        Encapsulation PPP, crc 16, loopback not = set

        Keepalive set (10 sec)

        Restart-Delay is 0 secs

        LCP Open

        Open: IPCP, CDPCP

        Last input 00:00:00, output 00:00:00, output hang = never

        Last clearing of "show interface" = counters 15:18:15

        Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); = Total output drops: 198472

        Queueing strategy: VIP-based fair = queuing

        Output queue: 0/40 (size/max)

        5 minute input rate 537000 bits/sec, 429 = packets/sec

        5 minute output rate 1916000 bits/sec, 424 = packets/sec

           12510343 packets input, = 2105215688 bytes, 0 no buffer

           Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, = 0 giants, 0 throttles

           418 input errors, 405 CRC, 0 = frame, 9 overrun, 1 ignored, 4 abort

           13514241 packets output, = 1606782508 bytes, 0 underruns

           0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 = interface resets

           0 output buffer failures, 0 = output buffers swapped out

           0 carrier = transitions

           RTS up, CTS up, DTR up, DCD up, = DSR up

      serial int s4/1/3

      service policy output xyz

      Hardware is cyBus Serial

       

       Internet address is = 10.102.4.54/30

       MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1984 Kbit, DLY 20000 = usec,

          reliability 255/255, txload 248/255, = rxload 66/255

       Encapsulation PPP, crc 16, loopback not = set

       Keepalive set (10 sec)

       Restart-Delay is 0 secs

       LCP Open

       Open: IPCP, CDPCP

       Last input 00:00:00, output 00:00:00, output hang = never

       Last clearing of "show interface" = counters 15:18:54

       Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); = Total output drops: 177594

       Queueing strategy: VIP-based fair = queuing

       Output queue: 0/40 (size/max)

       5 minute input rate 520000 bits/sec, 425 = packets/sec

       5 minute output rate 1932000 bits/sec, 435 = packets/sec

          12522467 packets input, 2109180590 = bytes, 0 no buffer

          Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 = giants, 0 throttles

          188 input errors, 180 CRC, 0 frame, 3 = overrun, 0 ignored, 5 abort

          13549502 packets output, 1659005050 = bytes, 0 underruns

          0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 = interface resets

          0 output buffer failures, 0 output = buffers swapped out

          0 carrier = transitions

          RTS up, CTS up, DTR up, DCD up, DSR = up


      Now, = it seems like this CBWFQ policy is not getting interpreted correctly = from yesterday and traffic is not getting policed to police-rate. =

      #sh = policy interface

      Class-map: abc (match-all)

         1778658 packets, 784085223 = bytes

         5 minute offered rate 699000 bps, drop rate = 0 bps

         Match: access-group name = abc-qos

         police:

           192000 bps, 6000 = limit

           conformed 1395897 packets, = 595895777 bytes; action: transmit

           exceeded 137993 packets, = 89062519 bytes; action: drop

           conformed 0 bps, exceed 0 = bps

      as = you can see traffic is not dropped even after exceeding police-rate. = This now causing the heavy util on IPLC circuit as traffic is well = exceeding the police-rate

      Can = somebody suggest what exactly could be the issue here? =

      Please let me know if any other info is required. =








------_=_NextPart_001_01C68ADA.339706C5-- From ak21201@gmail.com Wed Sep 20 10:11:37 2006 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by puck.nether.net (8.13.7/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k8KEBbxw004034 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:11:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ak21201@gmail.com) X-Envelope-From: ak21201@gmail.com Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w49so294783pyg for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.37.13 with SMTP id p13mr28591128pyj; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.27.12 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:11:36 -0400 From: "A. K." To: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net, cisco-nas@puck.nether.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5852_25620456.1158761496617" Subject: [Nsp-qos] Cisco - Service Selection Gateway (SSG) : Hierarchical Policing X-BeenThere: nsp-qos@puck.nether.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: list for QoS discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:11:38 -0000 ------=_Part_5852_25620456.1158761496617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone have any experience with the Hierarchical Policing feature of the Cisco SSG? I have only had success getting QOS to be applied to upstream traffic. Input (downstream) bytes are not counted at all, hence QOS is ever applied. TEST-SSG-RC2811-A# sh ssg connection 10.0.2.18 world ------------------------ConnectionObject Content ----------------------- User Name: test Owner Host: 10.0.2.18Owner Host: 10.0.2.18 Associated Service: world Calling station id: 0002.2d1c.30ff Connection State: 0 (UP) Connection Started since: *09:30:48.000 edt Wed Sep 20 2006 User last activity at: *10:04:03.000 edt Wed Sep 20 2006 Connection Traffic Statistics: Input Bytes = 0, Input packets = 0 Output Bytes = 7307, Output packets = 70 Qos Downstream Parameters(service) CIR(bps) = 28000, Normal Burst(bytes) = 1500, Excess Burst(bytes) = 2500, Packets dropped = 0 ------=_Part_5852_25620456.1158761496617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone have any experience with the Hierarchical Policing feature of the Cisco SSG?

I have only had success getting QOS to be applied to upstream traffic. Input (downstream) bytes are not counted at all, hence QOS is ever applied.

TEST-SSG-RC2811-A# sh ssg connection 10.0.2.18 world

------------------------ConnectionObject Content -----------------------
User Name: test
Owner Host: 10.0.2.18Owner Host: 10.0.2.18
Associated Service: world
Calling station id: 0002.2d1c.30ff
Connection State: 0 (UP)
Connection Started since: *09:30:48.000 edt Wed Sep 20 2006

User last activity at: *10:04:03.000 edt Wed Sep 20 2006
Connection Traffic Statistics:
        Input Bytes = 0, Input packets = 0
        Output Bytes = 7307, Output packets = 70
Qos Downstream Parameters(service)
        CIR(bps) = 28000, Normal Burst(bytes) = 1500,
        Excess Burst(bytes) = 2500, Packets dropped = 0



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Relying on referrals does not a strategy make! And waiting to get serious about marketing until that major case is wrapped up is way too late. Whether you're frustrated with past marketing efforts that have been expensive, time-consuming, and haven't paid off... or you think you can't afford to take a sophisticated, results-driven approach to business development like the big firms do, guess again. While your firm may not have its own in-house marketing expert on staff or the generous marketing budgets that the larger firms enjoy, you can systematically and affordably attract more clients than you ever thought possible. It just takes a thoughtful strategy that leverages the laws of marketing, and an ordered approach to stay on track. Laws of Marketing First and foremost, marketing is NOT about brochures, websites, advertising or cold calls. These things may or may not be tools that make sense for your firm, once you've leveraged the laws of marketing. There are two basic laws of marketing1 that must be mastered by professional service providers who want to stop wasting time and money on ineffective marketing efforts. They are: 1. Build your base (carefully craft your message) 2. Reach out to your market (build and nurture relationships) Here's a quick look at what each of these laws requires... Build Your Base. This law means spending thoughtful time defining your firm's niche, developing language that grabs your prospects' attention, articulating what makes your firm stand out from other firms offering the same services, demonstrating your value, and illustrating your firm's authority to deliver better than all other choices. Unfortunately, 90% of professional service firms ignore the law of "build your base" and rush to communicate about their firm without a carefully articulated message. This leaves your target audience unconvinced or, at best, confused about how your firm can serve them better than all others vying for their attention. Invest a little time in building your firm's base, and you'll be ahead of most of your competitors. Reach Out to Your Market. This law involves developing and implementing a system of strategies to build and sustain relationships with your target market and current clients. They are executed both offline and online. They are done systematically and repeatedly. They work in synergy to create an unstoppable buzz and attraction to your firm that takes on a desirable life of its own, once you've put them in place. These strategies include things like networking, direct outreach (personal or mass mail), PR, articles and speaking, keep-in-touch systems, using technology to attract, develop, and retain relationships; tapping centers of influence, developing joint ventures, launching a client relationship strategy, using a customer creation system, pursuing a relationship selling strategy, introducing a win-win fee strategy, and developing next-level strategies for current clients. Orderly Conduct This is the hard part for most law firms...making marketing happen is a function of carving out the time from precious billable hours - not an easy task! However, you can do it, especially if you take a disciplined and orderly approach to staying on track. This means you have to... Get focused. Schedule a meeting with key decision-makers in your firm to discuss making a commitment to marketing. You don't have to make any major decisions at this first meeting, except determine how much time you can commit weekly to your firm's marketing efforts. Start small (2 hours per person) and put it in your schedules. Then schedule your next marketing meeting to discuss the results of your homework, the attached Are You Ready for a TurningPointe? marketing assessment! Get organized. Use the results of the marketing assessment to stimulate discussion about where to start. At this point, if you've not done market strategy and planning before, call in an expert. It'll save you lots of time in the end, since you'll START with a strategic marketing plan that makes sense for your firm and is realistic to implement. Some basics to consider when developing your plan include: Keep it simple; don't take on too much at once. Spread out your deadlines. Identify a mix of short-term, easily implemented goals and longer-term, harder-to-implement goals. Build in some quick "wins" for an immediate return on your investment. Prioritize but be flexible; be willing to change dates or put things on hold when other marketing priorities make sense (which means you don't stop, you just shift). Identify the obstacles (people, time, money, lack of expertise, etc.) that could derail you and plan tasks for how to overcome them. Plan for how to make marketing a reward, not a punishment. Build in rewards for people who take time from billable hours to market. Stay on track. At a minimum, guard one hour every week for a status check on your marketing plan – even if you're a solo practitioner, that means making an appointment with yourself! The mere act of focused thinking or discussion about marketing every week will make an enormous difference in your ability to attract more clients. Once you have a smart plan in place that's realistic (see Get Organized, above), all you have to do is focus on taking one step at a time, then another, and another. Each small marketing task builds momentum and before you know it, you've implemented a major goal. The key is to keep moving... or if you stop, get restarted. It also helps to have "accountability" to an outside party, who keeps you on track through regular telephone and in-person coaching sessions. The Defense Rests So your practice has a stellar track record of client victories, you do good work that you care about, and you know your contribution makes a positive difference in the lives of your clients. What if you could reach more clients than you ever thought possible with all that you offer? Apply the laws of marketing through an ordered plan of action that keeps you on track, and you will. Case closed. References 1 Middleton, R. Laws of Marketing TeleClass. Action Plan Marketing, Inc. 2003. (c) 2004 TurningPointe Marketing, Inc. All rights reserved. Marketing educator, Kelly O'Brien, is creator of the "Create a TurningPointe!" Marketing Bootcamp. To learn more about this step-by-step program, and to sign up for FREE how-to articles and 20-page marketing guide, visit --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1957798769-1199367455=:90725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Carlos Hank Rhon, How to Put Law & Order into Marketing Your Legal Practice



First in a series of three articles
Regardless of your law firm's focus – criminal, civil, corporate, family, business, etc. – the greatest challenge most small to mid-size firms face is the lack of a strategic and disciplined approach to business development. Relying on referrals does not a strategy make! And waiting to get serious about marketing until that major case is wrapped up is way too late.
Whether you're frustrated with past marketing efforts that have been expensive, time-consuming, and haven't paid off... or you think you can't afford to take a sophisticated, results-driven approach to business development like the big firms do, guess again. While your firm may not have its own in-house marketing expert on staff or the generous marketing budgets that the larger firms enjoy, you can systematically and affordably attract more clients than you ever thought possible. It just takes a thoughtful strategy that leverages the laws of marketing, and an ordered approach to stay on track.
Laws of Marketing
First and foremost, marketing is NOT about brochures, websites, advertising or cold calls. These things may or may not be tools that make sense for your firm, once you've leveraged the laws of marketing.
There are two basic laws of marketing1 that must be mastered by professional service providers who want to stop wasting time and money on ineffective marketing efforts. They are:
1. Build your base (carefully craft your message)
2. Reach out to your market (build and nurture relationships)
Here's a quick look at what each of these laws requires...
Build Your Base. This law means spending thoughtful time defining your firm's niche, developing language that grabs your prospects' attention, articulating what makes your firm stand out from other firms offering the same services, demonstrating your value, and illustrating your firm's authority to deliver better than all other choices.
Unfortunately, 90% of professional service firms ignore the law of "build your base" and rush to communicate about their firm without a carefully articulated message. This leaves your target audience unconvinced or, at best, confused about how your firm can serve them better than all others vying for their attention. Invest a little time in building your firm's base, and you'll be ahead of most of your competitors.
Reach Out to Your Market. This law involves developing and implementing a system of strategies to build and sustain relationships with your target market and current clients. They are executed both offline and online. They are done systematically and repeatedly. They work in synergy to create an unstoppable buzz and attraction to your firm that takes on a desirable life of its own, once you've put them in place. These strategies include things like networking, direct outreach (personal or mass mail), PR, articles and speaking, keep-in-touch systems, using technology to attract, develop, and retain relationships; tapping centers of influence, developing joint ventures, launching a client relationship strategy, using a customer creation system, pursuing a relationship selling strategy, introducing a win-win fee strategy, and developing next-level strategies for current clients.
Orderly Conduct
This is the hard part for most law firms...making marketing happen is a function of carving out the time from precious billable hours - not an easy task! However, you can do it, especially if you take a disciplined and orderly approach to staying on track. This means you have to...
Get focused. Schedule a meeting with key decision-makers in your firm to discuss making a commitment to marketing. You don't have to make any major decisions at this first meeting, except determine how much time you can commit weekly to your firm's marketing efforts. Start small (2 hours per person) and put it in your schedules. Then schedule your next marketing meeting to discuss the results of your homework, the attached Are You Ready for a TurningPointe? marketing assessment!
Get organized. Use the results of the marketing assessment to stimulate discussion about where to start. At this point, if you've not done market strategy and planning before, call in an expert. It'll save you lots of time in the end, since you'll START with a strategic marketing plan that makes sense for your firm and is realistic to implement.
Some basics to consider when developing your plan include:
Keep it simple; don't take on too much at once. Spread out your deadlines.
Identify a mix of short-term, easily implemented goals and longer-term, harder-to-implement goals. Build in some quick "wins" for an immediate return on your investment.
Prioritize but be flexible; be willing to change dates or put things on hold when other marketing priorities make sense (which means you don't stop, you just shift).
Identify the obstacles (people, time, money, lack of expertise, etc.) that could derail you and plan tasks for how to overcome them.
Plan for how to make marketing a reward, not a punishment. Build in rewards for people who take time from billable hours to market.
Stay on track. At a minimum, guard one hour every week for a status check on your marketing plan – even if you're a solo practitioner, that means making an appointment with yourself! The mere act of focused thinking or discussion about marketing every week will make an enormous difference in your ability to attract more clients.
Once you have a smart plan in place that's realistic (see Get Organized, above), all you have to do is focus on taking one step at a time, then another, and another. Each small marketing task builds momentum and before you know it, you've implemented a major goal. The key is to keep moving... or if you stop, get restarted. It also helps to have "accountability" to an outside party, who keeps you on track through regular telephone and in-person coaching sessions.
The Defense Rests
So your practice has a stellar track record of client victories, you do good work that you care about, and you know your contribution makes a positive difference in the lives of your clients. What if you could reach more clients than you ever thought possible with all that you offer?
Apply the laws of marketing through an ordered plan of action that keeps you on track, and you will. Case closed.
References
1 Middleton, R. Laws of Marketing TeleClass. Action Plan Marketing, Inc. 2003.
(c) 2004 TurningPointe Marketing, Inc. All rights reserved.
Marketing educator, Kelly O'Brien, is creator of the "Create a
TurningPointe!" Marketing Bootcamp. To learn more about this step-by-step
program, and to sign up for FREE how-to articles and 20-page marketing
guide, visit 

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