From jjackson at aninetworks.net Sun Mar 23 23:27:51 2008 From: jjackson at aninetworks.net (Joseph Jackson) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:27:51 -0700 Subject: [rc] anyone alive out there? Message-ID: <695277448C537A469D28FF68D0938C836E1338EE04@EXMBX04.exchhosting.com> Is this list active? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/routing-chat/attachments/20080323/16ec026d/attachment.html From morrowc at ops-netman.net Sun Mar 23 23:35:45 2008 From: morrowc at ops-netman.net (Chris Morrow) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:35:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [rc] anyone alive out there? In-Reply-To: <695277448C537A469D28FF68D0938C836E1338EE04@EXMBX04.exchhosting.com> References: <695277448C537A469D28FF68D0938C836E1338EE04@EXMBX04.exchhosting.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Joseph Jackson wrote: > Is this list active? it's there, not sure what the current chat is though :) From jjackson at aninetworks.net Sun Mar 23 23:44:06 2008 From: jjackson at aninetworks.net (Joseph Jackson) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:44:06 -0700 Subject: [rc] Layer 2 MPLS - which routing protocol to use? WAS RE: anyone alive out there? In-Reply-To: References: <695277448C537A469D28FF68D0938C836E1338EE04@EXMBX04.exchhosting.com> Message-ID: <695277448C537A469D28FF68D0938C836E1338EE06@EXMBX04.exchhosting.com> Well lets talk about routing then. :) We are planning on moving away from some DS3's to a layer 2 MPLS setup. We have a little debate going on which routing protocol we should use to connect our sites. Over the DS3 we use OSPF but I've been pushing to run iBGP since the routers also do eBGP. Of course fast failure detection is a major goal so I'm just wondering what others might think about that. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Morrow [mailto:morrowc at ops-netman.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:36 PM > To: Joseph Jackson > Cc: routing-chat at puck.nether.net > Subject: Re: [rc] anyone alive out there? > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Joseph Jackson wrote: > > > Is this list active? > > it's there, not sure what the current chat is though :) From morrowc at ops-netman.net Sun Mar 23 23:58:00 2008 From: morrowc at ops-netman.net (Chris Morrow) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:58:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [rc] Layer 2 MPLS - which routing protocol to use? WAS RE: anyone alive out there? In-Reply-To: <695277448C537A469D28FF68D0938C836E1338EE06@EXMBX04.exchhosting.com> References: <695277448C537A469D28FF68D0938C836E1338EE04@EXMBX04.exchhosting.com> <695277448C537A469D28FF68D0938C836E1338EE06@EXMBX04.exchhosting.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Joseph Jackson wrote: > Well lets talk about routing then. :) We are planning on moving away okey-dokey! > from some DS3's to a layer 2 MPLS setup. We have a little debate going > on which routing protocol we should use to connect our sites. Over the > DS3 we use OSPF but I've been pushing to run iBGP since the routers also > do eBGP. Of course fast failure detection is a major goal so I'm just > wondering what others might think about that. > I've seen a bunch of private-ip/mpls provider's give their speeches to potential customers, in almost all they spout off about how they can/do/will support routing protocols like: 1) bgp 2) ospf 3) eigrp 4) rip I almost never hear that things other than bgp work reliably... after much digging often the others are 'well we have plans in Q2...' or 'we have one customer doing this...'. Never really encouraging :) BGP and linking the neighbor-down to the route-withdrawl seem to do well enough. How fast do you need convergence to happen if the link drops? Have you tested to be sure that it won't drop fast enough? -Chris > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Morrow [mailto:morrowc at ops-netman.net] >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:36 PM >> To: Joseph Jackson >> Cc: routing-chat at puck.nether.net >> Subject: Re: [rc] anyone alive out there? >> >> >> >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Joseph Jackson wrote: >> >>> Is this list active? >> >> it's there, not sure what the current chat is though :) > From libanmohamed at yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 00:32:13 2008 From: libanmohamed at yahoo.com (Liban malabow) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [rc] Layer 2 MPLS - which routing protocol to use? WAS RE: anyone alive out there? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <583056.73410.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Joseph, I would agree with you, BGP is your best solution, Are you still debating L2 MPLS vs MPLS-VPN L3, MPLS-VPN L3 would be my advice. Make sure you understand the security feature on your SP. alot of folks assume MPLS-VPN is secure,but all you need is someone to leak your RT to customer X. BGP have cool feature taht will help you lower the convergence time by playing with default timers, and enabling "ip bgp fast-external-fallover" --- Chris Morrow wrote: > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Joseph Jackson wrote: > > > Well lets talk about routing then. :) We are > planning on moving away > > okey-dokey! > > > from some DS3's to a layer 2 MPLS setup. We have > a little debate going > > on which routing protocol we should use to connect > our sites. Over the > > DS3 we use OSPF but I've been pushing to run iBGP > since the routers also > > do eBGP. Of course fast failure detection is a > major goal so I'm just > > wondering what others might think about that. > > > > I've seen a bunch of private-ip/mpls provider's give > their speeches to > potential customers, in almost all they spout off > about how they > can/do/will support routing protocols like: > > 1) bgp > 2) ospf > 3) eigrp > 4) rip > > I almost never hear that things other than bgp work > reliably... after much > digging often the others are 'well we have plans in > Q2...' or 'we have one > customer doing this...'. Never really encouraging :) > BGP and linking the > neighbor-down to the route-withdrawl seem to do well > enough. How fast do > you need convergence to happen if the link drops? > Have you tested to be > sure that it won't drop fast enough? > > -Chris > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Morrow > [mailto:morrowc at ops-netman.net] > >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:36 PM > >> To: Joseph Jackson > >> Cc: routing-chat at puck.nether.net > >> Subject: Re: [rc] anyone alive out there? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Joseph Jackson wrote: > >> > >>> Is this list active? > >> > >> it's there, not sure what the current chat is > though :) > > > _______________________________________________ > routing-chat mailing list > routing-chat at puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/routing-chat > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ