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From: Dave O'Meara (dave.omeara@eircom.net)
Date: Tue Jul 24 2001 - 06:21:19 EDT

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Can anyone direct me to more info on Per-Interface Rate Control? I see it
referred to in certain line card release notes (8-port OC-3 for example), but
I need some more detailed information. I am led to believe that it is a
lightweight version of CAR for use on Engine2 cards.

Any documentation around?

Dave

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Subject: [nsp] T1 line coding on AS5xxx series

I've been through all the dУе; c
Could someone confirm that T1 interfaces on AS 5xxx series do support T1
with AMIУе;SF

TIA,
Thomas

You could make that area an NSSA, that way any external routeУе;t
thE area by the lucent's/cisco's/whatever can be summarized and/or
filtered by the ABR bordering the NSSA (since thatУе;he
get converted to type 5's)

I've used this quite a bit, and is basically your only option for route
summУе;at
the router actually injecting the routes into the networkУе;op

Paul

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Mark Ivens wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a newbie OSPF question.
>
> We have Уе;SP
> has various flavours of access server on it (Lucent PM3's, 3ComУе;ot
> injecting buckets of E1 and E2 routes as customers connect.
>
Уе; e
> the Cisco's we use summary-address rather than have loУе;f
> injected every time a dial-up customer with a static IP connects.
>
> The problem is that there does not seeУе; b
> on the Lucent's either to summarize nor distribute or prefix lists to
> control which externaУе;ut
>
> So the only other option I can think of is to filter these E1 and E2
> LSA's for certain /24's on thУе;R'
> backbone area.
>
> I can't think of a way to do this. The way I understand it, a
> diУе;bu
> external LSA's entering the routing table and not from beingУе;od
> to
> access servers themselves doing the redistribУе;n,
> don't have.
>
> Is there any other magic Cisco functionality I can take advantage of
> on the ABR's toУе;te
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark Ivens mivens@claУе;et
> Systems Administrator How's that for being born under a
> Уе;aN
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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assuming you have Cisco ABRs, there's a nice little trick you could use
here.

If you make your area NSSA (doУе; L
ABRs you can use:

summary-address a.b.c.d w.x.y.z [no-advertise]

this will summУе;e
from ASBRs in the area) at the point where they are translated from TУе;7
the area-boundary entirely.

As far as I am aУе; t
regular area in this manner.

hth

Andy

Mark Ivens wrote
>
I have a newbie OSPF question.
>
> We have an OSPF area that I want t
> has vУе;us
> Total Control chassis as well as Cisco AS5300's) which are
> injectУе;bu
>
> As each access server has an IP pool from which it allocates IP's, on
Уе;e
> injected every time a dial-up custome

> The problem is that there does not seem to be equivalent functional
> control which external routes are injected.
>
> So the only other option I can think of is to Уе;er
> LSA's for certain /24's on the ABR's when I connect this area to the
> backbone area.
>
> I can't thinkУе;a
> distribute-list in on the ABR won't work as it will only stop these
> externaУе;A'
> to neighbours. And distribute-list out only works on an ASBR i.eУе;e
> don't have.
>
> Is there any other magic Cisco funУе;na
> on the ABR's to filter these out?
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------Уе;--
> Mark Ivens mivens@clara.net "I asked for a car,I got a computer.
> Systems Administrator Уе;Ho
> ClaraNET Ltd bad sign?" - Ferris Bueller
> ---------------------Уе;--
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Mark Ivens wrote on 23 July 2001 at 16:47:
> Thanks for all the responses.
>
> I was of the impression that Уе;ro
> the area was an NSSA.

yup - they do have to agree

> As an NSSA is a Cisco-ism, I woУе;ha

no is open standard - RFC 1587. The Cisco-prop one is "Totally-Stubby"
although interestiУе; J

> Is this not the case?
>
> Thus spake David Bergum (bergum@cisco.com):
>
> >
> > Mark, if you cУе;on
> > area on the Cisco Area Border Router (ABR), then you can use the OУе;>
> > from the NSSA are redistributed as type-5 LУе;by
> > description, see:
> >
> >
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/12
> 1cgcУе;_c
> >
> > Since the flooding of external lsas is a resource consideration
> for OSPF,
> >Уе; m
> > much more control of aggregation and other routing
> >
> Dave.
>

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Subject: [nsp] [nsp] netflow on EngineУе; (

Hi.

Does anybody tried to use netflow on Engine2 LCs? It seems that it
doesn't work for Уе;si
I can't see transit flows. Seems to be unsupported. I can't find any Уе;
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You have Уе;se
 ip flow-sampling-mode packet-interval <10-16382>
where the packet interval is one out of <10-16382Уе; p
under the interface the command is:
ip route-cache flow sampled
**********************************
There shoulУе; acode to allow you to do full netflow sampling ingress only of Уе;sesignificantly your CPU usage.  Haven't seen the command line statement.
Check out:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd\30Уе;tdlimit/120s/120s11/12s_sanf.htm#xtocid1343312  
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Hi.
	Does anybody tried to use netflow on Engine2 LCs? It seems that it
doОКе;t I can't see transit flows. Seems to be unsupported. I Уе;t abouth this on CCO:(
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To: eliz linav <elizlinav@yahoo.com>
From: Zaheer Aziz <zaziz@cisУе;omCc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
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At 06:46 AM 7/22/2001 -0700, elizУе;av>Hi Zaheer,
>  Let me apologize i have misrepresented the peering
>relations:
>1. All A1 routers peer with each otУе;>2>    for them)
>3. One B router peeers with 1 or 2 A1 router.
>
>  MУе;ub> >        \       \
>       |A1|----|A1| Peering at A1 (acting as RR Server)
>       Уе;  >         \     /
>          \   /
>          |A2 |   2 Peerings with A2 (acting as RR
>Уе;  >
>   Now a eBGP session by way of International
>connectivity is established aУе; n>is nor RR server for the 3rd A1 node (for that matter
>any of the A1 nodes). So how would a route learnУе;th>parts of the network. As u have said =FFes'pls help me
>clear how it Уе;d 
FRC 1966 will explain you in detail what I will try to elaborate.
quoting from the RFC in the operation section
"
1)Уе;ou
               Reflect to all other Clients.
            2) A Route from a Client peer
      ОКе;   Уе;  
             3) Route from an EBGP peer
                Send Уе;ll
"
say A2x learned a route 131.108.1.0/24 via EBGP international connection.=20
A2x wiУе;dvof its IBGP neighbors (A1's and B's). because of Rule 3
 From A1:
It will be propagated to all other clientУе;ce
 From A2y
If A2y is peering IBGP with A2x then A2y will advertise that route to all=20
B's Rule 1
If A2yУе; AA1's (see the From A1 section above). A2y will propate thОКе;o
Hope this helps
Zaheer
>Regards,
>Vinod
>
>Уе;- > > At 08:44 PM 7/20/2001 -0700, eliz linav wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >  We have the followУе;ne>> > >    ( acting as RR Server)
> > >   A2  x 4 nodes
> > >     (acting as Уе;er> > >   B   x 8 nodes
> > >      (acting as RR client)
> > >  The A1, A2 and B type nodes run iBGP. TheУе;s
> > >  The Intl Gateway connectivity to a single
> > provider
> > >was thru theУе;no>  >  We have recently decided to have a Internatinal
> > >gateway connectivity from a A2 node.
> > >  1.I would likУе; k> > to be
> > >made?
> >
> > No
> >
> > >  2.Would the A2 node learned route be passed to
> >Уе;
>> > mode)?
> > yes.
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > However I do have questions aboУе;ou> >
> > 1)why is there is an IBGP "pering betwn all nodes of
> > same type"
> >
> >    Are you saying that all AУе;ha> > with each other. What
> > benefit are you getting by this?
> >    Similarly for B's.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Уе;>
> >
> >
> >
> > Zaheer
> >
> >
> >
> > >Regards,
> > >Vinod
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________Уе;> > > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute
> > with Yahoo! Messenger
> > >http://phonecard.\30Уе;o.> 
>
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Subject: [nsp] T1s stopУе;ki
Hi,
I've been attempting to upgrade a 7200VXR/300 to an IOS that,
among other things, supports RУе; Ithat after upgrading, the T1 links on the router do not come up.
Searching Cisco documentation hУе;otbleary-eyed.
Old version:  (C7200-IS-M), Version 12.1(1a)T1,  RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
VersionsХКе;ed
There are two T1 interfaces on a PA-4T+ Уе; v
interface Serial4/0
 ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.252
 encapsulation ppp
(both ports are confiУе;d T1s in parallel using per-destination load balancing.  But that detail
can be igУе;d,port and concentrated on getting just one of them up.)
A particulaУе;odand a vpdn group defined in order to do some PPPoE testing.  When I
eУе;e and binds to it.  I've tried completely deleting the vpdn andУе;tutempLate configs, and while the T1 port no longer gets a virtual
interface, it still behaves essentially the same.
TheУе;te
FWIW, CDP says that the other end is an RSP4 running 11.1(14) .
Уе; thave a clue?  I don't want to go on ad naseum in case this rУе;
a
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See if you're somehow invoУе;g maybe because of the virtual templates?
debug aaa, debug ppp neg
						George
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> Hi,
> 
> I've been attempting to upgraУе; 7> among other things, supports RBE.  I've been startled to find
> that after upgrading, the T1 Уе;s > Searching Cisco documentation has not gotten me anything except
> bleary-eyed.
> 
> Old veУе;n:> 
> Versions tried: several, all C7200-IS-M, most effort has ИКе; s> Mn 12.1> 
> interfacУе;ri>>  encapsulation ppp
> 
> (both ports are configured identically, same IP addrУе;an> T1s in parallel using per-destination load balancing.  But that detail
> can be ignored, I think, as I deleteУе;e > port and concentrated on getting just one of them up.)
> 
> A particularly odd thing is thisУе;ha> and a vpdn group defined in order to do some PPPoE testing.  When I
> enable the T1 portУе; g> and binds to it.  I've tried completely deleting the vpdn and virtual
> tempУе; c> interface, it still behaves essentially the same.
> 
> The routerУе;o > 
> FWIW, CDP says that the other end is an RSP4 running 11.1(14) .
> 
>Уе;e > have a clue?  I don't want to go on ad naseum in case thiУе;ng> 
> -mm-
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Will someone please fordocument.
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Out of curriosity.  Does the IOS support your PAM module?  
do a sh ver and see if the PAУе; t
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> -----OriИКе;l >> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:27 AM
> To: cisco-nsp@puck.Уе;er> Subject: [nsp] T1s stop working after IOS upgrade...
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been attempting to upgrade a 7200VXR/300Уе;an> among other things, supports RBE.  I've been startled to find
> that after upgrading, the T1 links on the rouУе;do> Searching Cisco documentation has not gotten me anything except
> bleary-eyed.
> 
> Old version:  (C7200-IУе;, > SOFTWARE (fc1)
> 
> Versions tried: several, all C7200-IS-M, most effort has been spent
> Уе;2.> 
> There are two T1 interfaces on a PA-4T+ with very minimal PPP config:
> 
> interface Serial4/0
>Уе; a>  encapsulation ppp
> 
> (both ports are configured identically, same IP address and all, Уе;> > can be ignored, I think, as I deleted the configuУе;on> port and concentrated on getting just one of them up.)
> 
> A particularly odd thing is this: I have a ViУе;l-> and a vpdn group defined in order to do some PPPoE testing.  When I
> enable the T1 port, it grabs onУе; t> and binds to it.  I've tried completely deleting the vpdn and virtual
> template configs,Уе; w> interface, it still behaves essentially the same.
> 
> The router also has a cУе;e > 
> FWIW, CDP says that the other end is an RSP4 running 11.1(14) .
> 
> I've tried aУе; o> have a clue?  I don't want to go on ad naseum in case this rings
> a bУе;
>> 
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 11:16:00AM -0400, George Robbins wrote:
> See i> maybe because of the virtual templates?
> 
> debug aaa, debug ppp neg
Thanks-- I had that thought too, bУе; dwould be made or how I would undo it.  I mean, it's just a simple PPP
configuration on a T1 iУе;faand without invoking dialer, aaa, or virtual interface stuff without
me telling itУе;  
However, the PPP documentation is all under dialup networking these
days so that does imply someУе;g.also doesn't come up when I strip out all the virtual interface template
configurationsУе;he
I dIdn't think to "debug aaa" -- if I get a chance to run the newer
image again I'll try it.  However, I did notice soУе;in"debug ppp" logs (this was in my first note before I stripped out
all the detail in a final edit).  With the virtУе;testripped out:
    Se4/1 PPP: Treating connection as a dedicated line
and with the virtual templateУе;er
    Vi4 PPP: Using set call direction
    Vi4 PPP: Treating connection as a dedicated line
I didУе; sand it appears to be the default anyway.
I dunno, this is really cУе;sisomething trivial, 'cuz those are the things that do it the most :-)
mm
> 
> 						George
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> > Уе;> > > I've been attempting to upgrade a 7200VXR/300 to an IOS that,
> > among other things, supports RBE.  I've been starИКе; t > tha> > Searching Cisco documentation has not gottУе;e > > bleary-eyed.
> > 
> > Old version:  (C7200-IS-M), Version 12.1(1a)T1,  RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
> > 
> >Уе;si> > on 12.1(5)T9 and 12.2(1) .
> > 
> > There are two T1 inУе;ac> > 
> > interface Serial4/0
> >  ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.252
> >  encУе;la> > 
> > (both ports are configured identically, same IP address and all, two
> > T1s in parallel using per-destiУе;on> > can be ignored, I think, as I deleted the configuration of the second
> > port and cУе;nt> > 
> > A particularly odd thing is this: I have a Virtual-Template interface
> > Уе;a > > enable the T1 port, it grabs one of the virtual templateУе;er>> > template configs, and while the T1 porУе; l> > interface, it still behaves essentially the same.
> > 
> > The router also has a couple of PA-AT-Уе;ar> > 
> > FWIW, CDP says that the other end is an RSP4 running 11.1(14) .
> > 
> > I've tried a lot ofИКе;ng> > a bellУе;> > > 
> > -- 
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> > MV Communications, Inc. Уе;  > > NH Internet Access since 1991    |    (603) 629-0000 / FAX: 629-0049
> > 
> > 
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> Out of curriosity.  Does the IOS support your PAM module?  
> 
> do a sh ver Уе;se
Thanks-- I didn't think to look at that, but I will if I have to
experiment moreinterfaces, the IOS sees the module though.
-mm-
> ---------------------------Уе;--> Douglas M. Todd, Jr.
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MarУе; M> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:27 AM
> > To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
> > Subject: [nУе;T1> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've been attempting to upgrade a 7200VXR/300 to an IOS thaУе; >> > that after upgrading, the T1 links on the router do notУе;e > >> > bleary-eyed.
> > 
> > Old version:  (C7200-IS-Уе;Ve> > SOFTWARE (fc1)
> > 
> > Versions tried: several, all C7200-IS-M, most effort has been spenУе;> > > 
> > There are two T1 interfaces on a PA-4T+ with very minimal PPP config:
> > interfa >  ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.252
> >  encapsulation ppp
> > 
> >> > T1s in parallel using per-destination load balancing.  But that detail
> > can be ignored, I thinkУе; I> > port and concentrated on getting just one of them up.)
> > 
> > A particularlУе;d > > and a vpdn group defined in order to do some PPPoE testing.  When IУе; e> > and binds to it.  I've tried completely deleting thУе;dn> > template configs, and while the T1 port no longer gets a virtual
> > interface, it still behaves essentiaУе;th> > 
> > The router also has a couple of PA-AT-T3 cards and 256MB of RAM.
> > 
> > FWIW, CDP says that the other eУе;s > > 
> > I've tried a lot of things, with no solution in sight.  Does anyone
> > have a clue?  Уе;n'> > a bell.
> > 
> > -mm-
> > 
> > -- 
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> > NH Internet Access since 1991 Уе;  > > 
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If aaa "network" auth is gУе;ngbe they leased line or dialup, and you'll get a negotiation failure, it's
lookiУе;o 
This tends to cactch people trying the use the serial ports on AS5200's
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> From cisco-nsp-request@puck.nether.net Wed Jul 25 14:09:28 2001
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> Уе;: > To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
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> ИКе;n > > See if you're somehow invokeing aaa auth stuff on the pppУе;ne > maybe because of the virtual templates?
> > 
> > debug aaa, debug ppp neg
> 
> Thanks-- I had that thought too,Уе; I> would be made or how I would undo it.  I mean, it's just a simple PPP
> configuration on Уе; i> and without invoking dialer, aaa, or virtual interface stuff without
> me Уе;in> 
> However, the PPP documentation is all under dialup networking these
> days so thatУе;s > also doesn't come up when I strip out all the virtual interface templУе;> > 
> I didn't think to "debug aaa" -- if I get a chance to run the newer
> image again I'll try it.Уе;we> "debug ppp" logs (this was in my first note before I stripped out
> all the detail inУе;in> stripped out:
> 
>     Se4/1 PPP: Treating connection as a dedicatedУе;e
> anD with the virtual template interface configurations in:
> 
>     Vi4 PPP: Using set call direction
>     Vi4 PPP: Уе;ti> 
> I did try setting "no dial" but that did not change the behaviour
> and it appears Уе;e > 
> I dunno, this is really confusing me, which means it must be
> something trivial, 'cuz those are Уе;th> 
> mm
> 
> > 
> > 						George
> > 
> > > From cisco-nsp-request@puck.nether.net Wed Jul 25Уе;44> > > Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:29:18 -0400
> > > Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:26:38 -0400
> > > FroУе;Ma> > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:26:37 -0400
> > > To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
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> > > Subject: [nsp] T1s stop working after IOS upgrade...
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> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I've beenУе;em> > > among other things, supports RBE.  I've been startled to find
> > > tУе;af> > > Searching Cisco documentation has not gotten me anything eУе;t
> > > 
> > > Old version:  (C7200-IS-M), Version 12.1(1a)T1,  RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
> > > 
> > > VersiУе;tr> > > on 12.1(5)T9 and 12.2(1) .
> > > 
> > > There are two T1 inУе;ac> > > 
> > > interface Serial4/0
> > >  ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.252
> Уе; e> > > 
> > > (both ports are configured identically, same IP address and all, two
> > > T1s in parallel uУе; p> > > can be ignored, I think, as I deleted the configuration of the seconУе;> > > > 
> > > A particularly odd thing is this: I have a Virtual-TУе;at> > > and a vpdn group defined in order to do some PPPoE testing.  When I
> > > enable the T1 port, it grabs oУе;f > > > and binds to it.  I've tried completely deleting the vpdn and virtual
> > > templateУе;fi> > > interface, it still behaves essentially the same.
> > > 
> > > ThУе;ut> > > 
> > > FWIW, CDP says that the other end is an RSP4 runningУе;1(>> > > I've tried a lot of things, with no solution in sight.  Does anyone
> > > have a clue?  I don't want toУе;on> > > a bell.
> > > 
> > > -mm-
> > > 
> > > -- 
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> > > NH Internet Access since 1991Уе;| > > > 
> > > 
> 
> -- 
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Hi,
Can anyone please Уе;e 
I have just purchase quite a bit of (used)hardware (cisco/foundry/juniper),a
small coloУе;il(very) basic understanding of BGP4 and of how routers/switcheУе;c
to know if it feasible).
The cisco 3460 routerУе;1 will be carrying all domestic internet traffic.FA/2 is connected to one ofУе; b
The juniper will be carrying all international traffic on its ATM port and
connects to the bigirУе;ia
Q)What is the best way to configure? Do they all do BGP? OSPF as IGP ? Do I
use private addresses or from the allotУе;blQ2)CA(CustomerA) wants to make use of my bandwidth. CA has a cisco 3400
router at his end and wanУе;o to my juniper via ATM-PVC and wants to utilize 1meg internationl and 5meg
domestic bandwidth. What's the best way 
Pete Shaw
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To: Pete Shaw <pete.shaw@totalassist.co.nz>
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    > The cisco 3Уе;ro    > will be carrying all domestic internet traffic.
Why do yoУе;elrouter.  Or are it and the Juniper at different locations?
    > DУе;ey
Both.  You probably need all of your routers running OSPF to distribute
your internal routes, Уе;iBhow it's usually done.
Rather than having one router facing the exchange aУе;neyour transpacific bandwidth, it might make more sense to either just have
one router total, or to have one Уе;ngfacing your customers.
    > Do I use private addresses or from the alloted block on their
Уе;> 
No.  RFC1918 addresses are for networks which will never be connected to
the Internet.  You're an ISP.  You uУе;eamisunderstood your question.
    > Q2)CA(CustomerA) wants to make use of my bandwidth. CA hasУе;is    > router at his end and wants to connect
    > to my juniper via ATM-PVC and wants to utilize 1meg internationУе;d   
Two PVCs on the ATM cloud, if that's really how you want tУе; i
   
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Date: TУе;26From: Michel HO FONG FAT <mhofongfat@yahoo.com>
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CSubject: [nsp] booting phase error on 3500XL
Hi,
I have some 3500XL switches tУе;shpower-on phase.
Does any one got same experience with it? How can
cause that?
First error
----------Уе;niflashfs[1]: 165 files, 3 directories
flashfs[1]: 0 orphaned files, 0 orphaned directories
flashУе;]:flashfs[1]: Bytes used: 3042816
flashfs[1]: Bytes available: 569856
flashfs[1]: flashfs fsck took 4 Уе;ndflasHfs[1]: Initialization complete.
...done Initializing C3500XL flash.
C3500XL POST: System Board Test: Passed
C3500XУе;STC3500XL POST: CPU Buffer Test: Passed
C3500XL POST: CPU Notify RAM Test: Passed
C3500XL POST Уе;URC3500XL POST FAILURE: Non-free molecules were seen on
the notify ring.
C3500XL POST FAILURE:Уе;-fthe notify ring.
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Testing Switch Core: Failed
C3500XL POST FAILURE: TestinЛКе;ffC3500XL POST FAILURE: Configuring Switch Parameters:
FaileУе;50CPU Interface Failure
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Cannot test Modules due to
faУе;e C3500XL POST FAILURE: AT:  Failing because of
CPU-Interface failure
Second error
------------
InitiaУе;ngflashfs[1]: 110 files, 3 directories
flashfs[1]: 0 orphaned files, 0 orphaned directories
flashfs[1]: ToУе;byflashfs[1]: Bytes used: 2772480
flashfs[1]: Bytes available: 840192
flashfs[1]: flashfs fsck ...done Initializing C3500XL flash.
C3500XL POSC3500XL POST: DУе;teC3500XL POST: CPU Buffer Test: Passed
C3500XL POST: CPU Notify RAM Test: Passed
C3500XL POST: CPU InteУе;e C3500XL POST: Testing Switch Core: Passed
C3500XL POST: Testing Buffer Table: Passed
C3500XL POST FAILURE: spУе;t_received frame doesn't match the sent-out frame.
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Address: 0x0000004D
C3500XL POST FУе;RE0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0004 0x0000 0x0000
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Receive bytes: 0x0000 0x000Уе;00C3500XL POST FAILURE: Address: 0x0000400C
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Send bytes   : 0xC00Уе;C00xC01 0xC001 0xC001 0x000C 0xC001 0xC001
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Receive bytes: 0xC001 0xC001
0xC001 0xC001 0xC001 0x000Уе;C0C3500XL POST FAILURE: Address: 0x0000400D
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Send bytes   : 0xC001 0xC001
0xC001 0xC001 0xC00Уе;00C3500XL POST FAILURE: Receive bytes: 0xC001 0xC001
0xC001 0xC001 0xC001 0x0002 0xC001 0xC001
C3500XL POSTУе;LUC3500XL POST FAILURE: Send bytes   : 0xC001 0xC001
0xC001 0xC001 0xC001 0x0001 0xC001 0xC001
C3500Уе;OS0xC001 0xC001 0xC001 0x0005 0xC001 0xC001
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Address: 0x0003DFFУе;500x2001 0x2001 0x2001 0x0004 0x2001 0x2001
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Receive bytЛКе;0x0xC3500XL POST FAILURE: SendУе;es0x3001 0x3001 0x3001 0x000C 0x3001 0x3001
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Receive bytes: 0x3001 0x3001
0x3001 0x3Уе;0xC3500XL POST FAILURE: Address: 0x0003FFB1
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Send bytes   : 0x3001 0x3001
0x3Уе;0xC3500XL POST FAILURE: Receive bytes: 0x3001 0x3001
0x3001 0x3001 0x3001 0x0002 0x3001 0x3Уе;C3C3500XL POST FAILURE: Send bytes   : 0x3001 0x3001
0x3001 0x3001 0x3001 0x0001 0x3Уе;0xC300XL POST FAILURE: Receive bytes: 0x3001 0x3001
0x3001 0x3001 0x3001 0x0005 0x3001 0x3001
C3500XL POST FAILURE: DaУе;ufC3500XL POST FAILURE: Configuring Switch Parameters:
Failed
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Switch Core failure on Уе;
bC3500XL POST FAILURE: Cannot test Modules due to
failure of Switch Core POST
Del Mar Failure (0th Del Mar): reqУе;teinit
C3500XL POST FAILURE: 
C3500XL POST FAILURE: ATM: required system failed to
init
C3500XL POST: Ethernet CУе;olC3500XL POST FAILURE: MII Test: Failed
C3500XL POST FAILURE: Error waiting for Ethernet
Controller and SWУе;AMC3500XL POST FAILURE: AT: Failing because system POST
failed
Exception Уе;2)pointer dereference)
CPU Register Context:
Vector = 0x00002000  PC = 0x000E0854  MSR = 0xУе;92 CR  0x22000000
LR = 0x000E3AA0  CTR = 0x001C47BC  XER = 0x20000000
R0 = 0x00000000  R1 = 0x00575F10  R2 = 0x00000000 Уе;= R4 = 0x00000001  R5 = 0x00000000  R6 = 0x005760A8  R7
= 0x005760A8
R8 = 0x005760A8  R9 = 0x00000000  R10 = 0x00Уе;AFR12 = 0x42000000  R13 = 0x00000000  R14 = 0x00000000 
R15 = 0x00000000
R16 = 0x00000000  R17 = 0x000000Уе;R1R19 = 0x00000000
R20 = 0x00000000  R21 = 0x00000000  R22 = 0x00000000 
R23 = 0x00000000
R24 = 0x00000000  Уе;= R27 = 0x005760A8
R28 = 0x00000020  R29 = 0x00002513  R30 = 0x00000001 
R31 = 0x00000000
StaУе;raPC  0x000E0854, SP = 0x00575F10
Frame 00: SP = 0x00575F30    PC = 0xFFFFFFFF
Frame 01: SP = 0x00575FA8    PC = 0x000EУе;
FFrame 03: SP = 0x00576058    PC = 0x000D5468
Frame 04: SP = 0xFRame 05: SP = 0x005760A0    PC = 0x001DA11C
Frame 06: SP = 0x005760D8  Frame 07: SP = 0x005760E0 Уе;C Frame 08: SP = 0x00576158    PC = 0x0021F4B4
Frame 09: SP = 0x00576188    PC = 0x002600E0
Frame 10: SP = 0x00ЛКе;00Do You Yahoo!?
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