[Boatanchors] #44/47 Bulb replacement with LEDs

Garey Barrell k4oah at mindspring.com
Sat Feb 5 12:09:50 EST 2011


If you switch to #755s they'll last MUCH longer.  Same voltage, current, 
slightly less light, life = 20000 hours as opposed to 3000 hours for the 47.

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line
and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs
<www.k4oah.com>


Michael A. Bittner wrote:
> I didn't know there were AC/DC LEDs.  However, I think I'll just stick 
> with my small supply of #47 LERs (Light Emitting Resistors).  W6MAB
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Bob Jackson <mailto:bob at nofrowns.net>
>     *To:* k4oah at mindspring.com <mailto:k4oah at mindspring.com> ;
>     boatanchors at puck.nether.net <mailto:boatanchors at puck.nether.net>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:25 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Boatanchors] #44/47 Bulb replacement with LEDs
>
>     All -
>     The LEDs I've ordered are, indeed, AC/DC types and are supposed to
>     draw about 20 mils.  See
>     http://cointaker.com/searchquick-submit.sc?keywords=g44f for an
>     example.
>     Bob  AG5X
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Garey Barrell <mailto:k4oah at mindspring.com>
>         *To:* boatanchors at puck.nether.net
>         <mailto:boatanchors at puck.nether.net>
>         *Sent:* Saturday, February 05, 2011 10:03 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [Boatanchors] #44/47 Bulb replacement with LEDs
>
>         Al -
>
>         Apparently the filament will carry the full 150 mA through
>         that tapped
>         section, rather than the ~75 mA it sees with a parallel #47. 
>         I suppose
>         the higher failure rate of this filament section in radios run
>         with
>         blown bulbs could be coincidental, but I've replaced a LOT of
>         34W4 and
>         35Z5 rectifiers in my life, and most of them had a blown bulb
>         and Pin
>         4-6 (or 2-3) open.
>
>         It makes sense that the entire filament would be able to
>         handle 150 mA,
>         but without a bulb that filament section is dissipating a
>         little over 1W
>         and with a bulb a little less than 1/2W, not counting the DC
>         current
>         which also goes through the filament.  So without a bulb that
>         section
>         would be the most likely to fail.  Of course these were both very
>         inexpensive tubes, and a bulb or even a resistor cost money in
>         a VERY
>         price competitive market.!  :-)
>
>         As for the original question, if the LED was of the AC/DC
>         types, it
>         should work fine.  The voltage across the tap is 7.5 V with NO
>         parallel
>         load and as long as the LED will handle that voltage it should
>         be ok.
>
>         73, Garey - K4OAH
>         Glen Allen, VA
>
>         Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line
>         and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs
>         <www.k4oah.com <http://www.k4oah.com>>
>
>
>         Al Parker wrote:
>         > Hi folks,
>         >     In the AA5 or 35W4 application, aren't we missing one of
>         the
>         > purposes of the lamp?  It provides a load to balance out the
>         voltage
>         > wanted across the tube filament.  An LED lamp is much lower
>         a load, in
>         > the neighborhood of 10%, so it's not going to serve that
>         purpose.
>         > 73,
>         >
>         > Al, W8UT
>         > www.boatanchors.org <http://www.boatanchors.org>
>         > www.hammarlund.info <http://www.hammarlund.info>
>         >
>         > "There is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much
>         > worth doing as simply messing about in boats"
>         > Ratty, to Mole
>         >
>         > On 2/5/2011 10:07 AM, Michael A. Bittner wrote:
>         >> Chuck, Thanks for the info and data sheet on the 35W4.
>         Looks like it's
>         >> OK to use the 35W4 in a series string without harm as in my
>         Knight Ocean
>         >> Hopper and according to the alternate diagram on the data
>         sheet.
>         >> This still leaves us with the question of how one of these
>         #47 bulb LED
>         >> substitutes would work in an AA5 radio. After all, the D in
>         LED stands
>         >> for diode. W6MAB
>         >>
>         >>     ----- Original Message -----
>         >>     *From:* Chuck <mailto:wcmoore at verizon.net>
>         >>     *To:* infomet at embarqmail.com
>         <mailto:infomet at embarqmail.com> <mailto:infomet at embarqmail.com>
>         >>     *Cc:* boatanchors at puck.nether.net
>         <mailto:boatanchors at puck.nether.net>
>         >> <mailto:boatanchors at puck.nether.net>
>         >>     *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 9:45 PM
>         >>     *Subject:* [Boatanchors] #44/47 Buld replacement with LEDs
>         >>
>         >>     The 35W4 is a bit of a strange bird. The filament is
>         tapped but
>         >>     rather than
>         >>     being tapped at the center like the venerable 12AU7 and
>         similar
>         >>     valves the
>         >>     35W4 is offset so that there are different drops across
>         each
>         >>     filament section.
>         >>      From Pin 3-4 with a #47 Lamp the filament drop is 32
>         Volts. From
>         >>     Pin 4 - 6
>         >>     the nominal drop is 5.5 volts.
>         >>     For more info see the datasheet at the follwoing URL:
>         >> http://www.r-type.org/pdfs/35w4.pdf
>         >> > Great question......thanks, Mike!
>         >> > 73....Walter - K5EST - Missouri
>         >> >
>         >> >
>         >> > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Michael A. Bittner wrote:
>         >> >> How would these work in an AA5 radio where the #47 bulb
>         is often
>         >> >> connected
>         >> >> across one half of the rectifier heater? Rectifiers are
>         >>     typically 35Z5 or
>         >> >> 35W4 with center-tapped heater. Mike W6MAB
>         >> >
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