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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Bruce,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes we got Advanced IP Enterprise?? + BB license (500 sessions), can increase later if necessary, I think without them the commands
do nothing on a ASR1001-x, but you can activate evaluation licenses which turn to RTU after 30 days, still honour based but TAC won’t help for issues without them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">7204vxr I just got ADV IP Enterprise and it did everything I needed, they didn’t do they charge for each feature option for them (or
I just didn’t know about it), just make sure you get a NPE-G2 and not one of the earlier engines. Half the sessions come in as direct PPPOE and the rest come in over L2TP tunnels. We also do NAT for about 60% of the sessions too which increases the CPU usage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I remember reading about the radius challenges, but I don’t think we used those features, apart from the config for the radius being
in a slightly different way it was pretty easy to setup. I would think with just DSL you could easily do 1k+ sessions on the 7204vxr without stretching it, if you are expecting quick growth above that I would look at the ASR, hard for me to guess though
because not that many DSL connections. Price difference is huge, here 2<sup>nd</sup> hand ASR1004, ESP40, RP2, SIP40, 10gbit module and 3 x 8 x 1gbit module + licenses and smartnet came out at about 50k.. where we got the 7204vxr about 4-5 years ago for 5k.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Still think that is fair, 7204vxr limited to 3gbit max using all ports, and ESP40 will do 40gbit + a whole heap of other stuff. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bruce Technical [mailto:brucetechnical@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 12 February 2017 10:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nathan Downes <nathandownes@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-bba@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-bba] 7204VXR vs ASR1001-x (as LNS / provider is LAC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Nathan,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the feedback.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1- ASR1001-x need IP Advance licenses ($6k) and sessions licens (500 for $5k and 4500 more for another $5k+). Do you need those for your setup?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2- Are there any licenses you have to buy for the 7204vxr series to be able to do LNS/LAC or VRF and L2TP?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Side note: There are some Radius challenges apparently that the new ASR will throw your way.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Nathan Downes <<a href="mailto:nathandownes@hotmail.com" target="_blank">nathandownes@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We use a 7204vxr with an NPE-G2 as an LNS, Carrier sends sessions from their LAC to us via L2TP tunnel.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Use it more for FTTx than DSL, have about 30 DSL sessions and 400 FTTX connections, varying fom 12/1
to 100/40. Pretty impressed with the NPE-G2, we average about 30-40% CPU with those connections, no extra cards in device, just using standard 3 gigabit ports on the NPE, one for inbound sessions, one for internet and one for radius.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In the process of putting in an ASR1004 with an ESP40 in a couple of weeks, a lot more coin than the
7204, but consolidating a bit and we do a lot of L2 Fibre connections to business customers, biggest reason is to get netflow for new data retention laws.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Not being a Cisco expert by any means, moving from a switch platform to a router platform has been
a huge learning curve!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> cisco-bba
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-bba-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-bba-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Technical<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 12 February 2017 7:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-bba@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-bba@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-bba] 7204VXR vs ASR1001-x (as LNS / provider is LAC)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We are entering the DSL reseller market and costs for ASR1001-x or ASR1002-x are in the $20k+ for Cisco ASR1001-x + IP Advance Licenses + 500 Sessions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We are considering used 7204VXR. What is it in ASR1001-x that 7204VXR can't do for example?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Our Service Provider require LNS/LAC, L2TP, VRF, and Radius.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Bruce<o:p></o:p></p>
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