<div dir="ltr">Hi Nathan,<div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><i>"</i><span style="font-style:italic;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">but you can activate evaluation licenses which turn to RTU after 30 days, still honour based but TAC won’t help for issues without them." </span></font><font color="#000000"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><<< You mean we have to purchase licenses after 30 days or do you mean features will work without purchase but there won't be any TAC support? I am wondering if Cisco even sells those licenses anymore and if they are not transferable this means an item from ebay won't do the job.</span></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></font></font></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#0000ff" style="font-style:italic">"Half the sessions come in as direct PPPOE and the rest come in over L2TP tunnels. " </font><font color="#000000"><<< I am planning for NPE-G2 as everyone is suggesting it but why would half the session come in as direct PPPoE and rest over L2TP? is that how this work or just your infrastructure?</font></span><font color="#000000"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></font></font></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#0000ff">"We also do NAT for about 60% of the sessions too which increases the CPU usage." </font><font color="#000000"><<< Why do you do NAT? Don't your clients get their own public IP address without any NATing involved? Or is this some sort of inbound traffic shaping?</font></span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#0000ff" style="font-style:italic">"Still think that is fair, 7204vxr limited to 3gbit max using all ports, and ESP40 will do 40gbit + a whole heap of other stuff. " </font><font color="#000000"><<< Given there is only 3 usable ports on NPE-G2 and no other NPE modules available the only option for us is to stack when we grow or move to ASR1001-x when price makes sense. We get a 1gbps fiber coming to us from ISP so that should be just fine but as Harald mentioned 7204vxr+NPE-G2 realistically does up to 500mbps with this setup so we might have to soon stack. Can we not have a network design like this without worrying if our Service Provider supports multiple LNS IPs on our end:</font></span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"> <b> Service Provider</b></font></span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><b><br></b></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><b> |</b></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><b> -----some managed switch -----</b></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><b> | | |</b></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><b> 7204vxr-A 7204vxr-B 7204vxr-C</b></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><font color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><font color="#000000"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6667px">And we ask the switch to somehow load balance things? </span></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6667px">Regards,</span></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font face="calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></font></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Nathan Downes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nathandownes@hotmail.com" target="_blank">nathandownes@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Bruce,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Yes we got Advanced IP Enterprise?? + BB license (500 sessions), can increase later if necessary, I think without them the commands
do nothing on a ASR1001-x, but you can activate evaluation licenses which turn to RTU after 30 days, still honour based but TAC won’t help for issues without them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">7204vxr I just got ADV IP Enterprise and it did everything I needed, they didn’t do they charge for each feature option for them (or
I just didn’t know about it), just make sure you get a NPE-G2 and not one of the earlier engines. Half the sessions come in as direct PPPOE and the rest come in over L2TP tunnels. We also do NAT for about 60% of the sessions too which increases the CPU usage.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I remember reading about the radius challenges, but I don’t think we used those features, apart from the config for the radius being
in a slightly different way it was pretty easy to setup. I would think with just DSL you could easily do 1k+ sessions on the 7204vxr without stretching it, if you are expecting quick growth above that I would look at the ASR, hard for me to guess though
because not that many DSL connections. Price difference is huge, here 2<sup>nd</sup> hand ASR1004, ESP40, RP2, SIP40, 10gbit module and 3 x 8 x 1gbit module + licenses and smartnet came out at about 50k.. where we got the 7204vxr about 4-5 years ago for 5k.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Still think that is fair, 7204vxr limited to 3gbit max using all ports, and ESP40 will do 40gbit + a whole heap of other stuff. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> Bruce Technical [mailto:<a href="mailto:brucetechnical@gmail.com" target="_blank">brucetechnical@gmail.<wbr>com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 12 February 2017 10:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nathan Downes <<a href="mailto:nathandownes@hotmail.com" target="_blank">nathandownes@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-bba@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-bba@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-bba] 7204VXR vs ASR1001-x (as LNS / provider is LAC)<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="gmail-h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the feedback.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1- ASR1001-x need IP Advance licenses ($6k) and sessions licens (500 for $5k and 4500 more for another $5k+). Do you need those for your setup?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2- Are there any licenses you have to buy for the 7204vxr series to be able to do LNS/LAC or VRF and L2TP?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Side note: There are some Radius challenges apparently that the new ASR will throw your way.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Nathan Downes <<a href="mailto:nathandownes@hotmail.com" target="_blank">nathandownes@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We use a 7204vxr with an NPE-G2 as an LNS, Carrier sends sessions from their LAC to us via L2TP tunnel.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Use it more for FTTx than DSL, have about 30 DSL sessions and 400 FTTX connections, varying fom 12/1
to 100/40. Pretty impressed with the NPE-G2, we average about 30-40% CPU with those connections, no extra cards in device, just using standard 3 gigabit ports on the NPE, one for inbound sessions, one for internet and one for radius.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">In the process of putting in an ASR1004 with an ESP40 in a couple of weeks, a lot more coin than the
7204, but consolidating a bit and we do a lot of L2 Fibre connections to business customers, biggest reason is to get netflow for new data retention laws.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Not being a Cisco expert by any means, moving from a switch platform to a router platform has been
a huge learning curve!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> cisco-bba
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 12 February 2017 7:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-bba@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-bba@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-bba] 7204VXR vs ASR1001-x (as LNS / provider is LAC)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are entering the DSL reseller market and costs for ASR1001-x or ASR1002-x are in the $20k+ for Cisco ASR1001-x + IP Advance Licenses + 500 Sessions.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are considering used 7204VXR. What is it in ASR1001-x that 7204VXR can't do for example?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our Service Provider require LNS/LAC, L2TP, VRF, and Radius.<u></u><u></u></p>
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