[c-nsp] Article: Beware of counterfeit Cisco gear

[Hoyos, Andrew]

I think this is a little different though... I'd happily buy a WIC, knowning it was an "aftermarket" part at 40% of the cost. I'd agree that Cisco should support this. But the fact of the matter is that people are buying parts that they think are "official" Cisco gear, and are not. 

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net on behalf of Ted Mittelstaedt
Sent: Wed 10/25/2006 12:09 AM
To: Shane at Doretel; skeeve at skeeve.org; cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Article: Beware of counterfeit Cisco gear
 
It isn't as bad as your making it out to be.  A lot of the fakes aren't fake
at all,
they are theft.  What they are is illegal runs off the same production lines
that
the authorized runs are under.

One of these days Cisco will pick up the clue phone and figure things out
and move manufacturing back here.  As long as they think they are saving
money having the Chinese manufacture their hardware, they are going to
lose the money they are saving in intellectual property theft.

Additionally, in the auto industry, this sort of thing goes on all the time,
and
there's nothing illegal about it, they call it "aftermarket parts"  General
Motors does not have a problem if I buy a new Alternator from NAPA
and put it in my GM car.  Cisco should not have a problem if I buy a new
WIC card and put it in my Cisco router.  The fact that they do, pushes this
stuff underground which exacerbates the problem.

Ted

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shane at Doretel" <sbreen at doretel.com>
To: <skeeve at skeeve.org>; <cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Article: Beware of counterfeit Cisco gear


> Skeeve,
>
> It is WIC cards, PA Cards, NM Cards, 2600XM Routers, 3750 Switches,
> AS5350/AS5350XM/AS5400/AS5400XM/AS5400HPX NP108 Cards, VWIC Cards, PIX
> Firewalls, VIC Cards and probably allot more.
>
> I tell my customers to buy Factory Refurb if they are trying to save money
> and want to avoid the fakes. It is widespread and a very real problem.
>
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>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Skeeve Stevens" <skeeve at skeeve.org>
> To: <cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Article: Beware of counterfeit Cisco gear
>
>
> >
> > One of my suppliers ended up with a 877W fake and showed it to me the
> > other
> > day.
> >
> > It just looked NQR.. With the top glossy and basically a little
unfinished
> > if that makes sense, but it was damn close.
> >
> > Apparently when you boot the device the boot message was saying that it
> > was
> > fake equipment.
> >
> > Anyone know what sort of things are being faked?  Just CPE's and WIC's?
> > Or
> > is the medium gear... 7200's, 7300's, 3750's, and the big 7600, 6000's
and
> > so on also being faked?  Is it just the quick moving small kit?
> >
> >
> > ...Skeeve
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cisco-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net
> > [mailto:cisco-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Hank Nussbacher
> > Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 6:20 PM
> > To: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
> > Subject: [c-nsp] Article: Beware of counterfeit Cisco gear
> >
> >
<http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/102306counterfeit.html?twht=102306thi
> > sweek>
> >
> > -Hank Nussbacher
> > http://www.interall.co.il
> >
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