[c-nsp] New IPv6 BGP peer on a pure IPv4 network

TJ trejrco at gmail.com
Tue Dec 2 09:58:02 EST 2008

Gert mentioned a Cisco book or two, let me just toss out a glowing
recommendation for:
	Deploying IPv6, http://tinyurl.com/DeployingIPv6 
	Global IPv6 Strategies, http://tinyurl.com/GIPv6Strategies 
(The first is very technical, very real world / deployment oriented ... the
latter is less technical, more business ("The why's" more than "The how's")
... both are fantastic.)

Also, while on a roll, let me toss out recommendations for a non-Cisco book
or two:
	Migrating to IPv6, http://tinyurl.com/MigratingToIPv6
	IPv6 Essentials, http://tinyurl.com/IPv6Essentials 

Oh, and "Is there a way to transfer IPv4 traffic through an IPv6 BGP and
vice versa?" was asked ... while tunneling is one answer, the question could
also be read to ask about the use of BGP peering over IPv6 while exchanging
IPv4 routes - which also works just fine (with an extra step or two WRT
next-hop attribute setting).


>-----Original Message-----
>From: cisco-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-
>bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Gert Doering
>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:34 AM
>To: Ziv Leyes
>Cc: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
>Subject: Re: [c-nsp] New IPv6 BGP peer on a pure IPv4 network
>On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 02:17:59PM +0200, Ziv Leyes wrote:
>> Well, when you say it,  it sounds very simple, the problem is I don't
>> really know the subneting stuff for IPv6, for example.
>Well, it's like CIDR in IPv4 - you put aside a number of bits for the
>"network" part, and the rest is "host".
>In IPv6, it's actually easier, as you don't need to do much thinking - just
>make every network a /64, and all loopbacks a /128.
>(This is in line with IETF and RIPE policies, even if it might seem like
>"waste" - but there are enough addresses - and even if some folks do it
>differently for one or the other reason.  No need to complicate matters
>From RIPE, you will get a /32.
>Every customer gets a /48 (65000 of those inside /32).
>Every of your POPs gets a /48.
>Inside the /48, there's 65000 /64s.  So use them freely, do not worry about
>waste here.
>[This is simplified, for a "really large" provider, the math is more
>complicated, of course]
>> We don't use any of the IGP you've mentioned in our IPv4 setup, we only
>have some iBGP  peers between our routers.
>> Do we HAVE to use OSPF, ISIS or EIGRP or we can still use only iBGP on
>IPv6 when needed?
>If you don't run any IPv4 IGP today, you can use the same setup for IPv6
>(static routes + iBGP + eBGP).
>> Remember I'm not moving the whole network to v6, only additional to the
>current v4.
>Just add IPv6 to the existing config.  It will run in parrallel.
>> Let's say I have a circuit connection to one uplink provider and I
>> have a BGP peering between both sides on IPv4 /32 addresses, you
>> suggest that I ask the provider to move to IPv6, what happens then to
>> the whole
>> IPv4 addresses?
>Add IPv6, but do not remove IPv4.  Run both in parallel.
>This is, for example, how our uplink interface to C&W looks like:
>interface Port-channel150
> description GE-Link zu C&W 1273
> ip address 62.xx.xx.162  ip access-group 110 in  ip flow
> ipv6 address 2001:yyy:yy:yy::2/64
> ipv6 traffic-filter ext-in in
>the IPv4 part is easy to understand - and the IPv6 part essentially does
>same thing, just with funny numbers, and a named IPv6 ACL.
>> What happens to other devices that know this IPv4 address and won't
>> know the new IPv6 address?
>They continue to use IPv4.
>> What about the loopback IPs that are used for other peering and stuff?
>interface Loopback0
> description Loopback, fuer iBGP
> ip address 193.xx.xx.14
> ipv6 address 2001:608:0:zzz::1030/128
> ipv6 ospf 42 area 0
>- again: add v6, leave the v4 part alone.
>> Is there a way to transfer IPv4 traffic through an IPv6 BGP and vice
>Yep.  Tunneling - a GRE tunnel (for example) which carries IPv4 inside and
>IPv6 outside, or vice versa.
>But for a 3-router network it's much easier to enable both protocols in
>parallel.  Tunnels are a workaround for underlying infrastructure
>(NB: there's a number of Cisco Press books about IPv6.  I have not yet
>looked at one of them, so I can't say anything about the contents - but
>met the authors and they know what they are talking about - so chances are
>quite high that the books are worth looking at)
>USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW!
>Gert Doering - Munich, Germany
>gert at greenie.muc.de
>fax: +49-89-35655025                        gert at net.informatik.tu-

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