Sorry: > Now, maybe this is NANOG and ISPs operate in a 'we're just a utility Meant "maybe this is cisco NSP ..." Apologies for the obvious stupid error. jms -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One Phone: +1 520 324 0494 jms at Opus1.COM http://www.opus1.com/jms