[c-nsp] PFR Question

David Prall dcp at dcptech.com
Thu Mar 25 21:17:16 EDT 2010


This is where PfR is involved to route around the primary carrier to the
secondary.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jack daniels [mailto:jckdaniels12 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:50 PM
> To: David Prall
> Cc: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] PFR Question
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> In a multipath instance PE1 will install the Equal Cost route with rd
> 1:1
> first, using 1:2 as a secondary path only. Opposite on PE2.???
> whne both paths have equal cost the why route with rd1:1 will be
> primary always
> and rd 1:2 will be secondary on PE1.
> 
> EVEN IF WE advertise X.X.X.X from PE1 and PE2 still PE3 will have two
> routes in BGP table . But one in routing table.
> But how will this avoid drops when PE1and CE1 link goes down as BGP
> bring secondary path to Primary and then to routing table will take
> atleast 3 min.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:29 AM, David Prall <dcp at dcptech.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 	1)
> 	On PE1
> 	 vrf description customer
> 	 rd 1:1
> 	 route-target both 1:1
> 	 route-target import 1:2
> 	On PE2
> 	 vrf description customer
> 	 rd 1:2
> 	 route-target both 1:2
> 	 route-target import 1:1
> 
> 	In a multipath instance PE1 will install the Equal Cost route
> with rd 1:1
> 	first, using 1:2 as a secondary path only. Opposite on PE2.
> 
> 	2)
> 	Could use different VRF's. Just like dual carriers. A key concern
> is a dual
> 	failure, site 1 on network 1 and site 2 on network 2. The
> customer will need
> 	to provide a path between the two networks via one of their
> sites.
> 
> 
> 	David
> 
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> 
> 	> -----Original Message-----
> 	> From: jack daniels [mailto:jckdaniels12 at gmail.com]
> 
> 	> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:41 PM
> 	> To: David Prall
> 	> Cc: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
> 	> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] PFR Question
> 	>
> 
> 	> Hi David ,
> 	>
> 	> thanks man I got the basic idea :)
> 	>
> 	> 1) but please explain in more detail this
> 	>
> 	> Single VRF, 2 distinct RD's. The VRF imports both, exports one.
> The
> 	> RD's are
> 	> different so that multipath can be used within the core
> typically. But
> 	> in
> 	> this case they wouldn't use multipath and the local RD would be
> used as
> 	> the
> 	> determining factor on import of which route is installed
> first.??????
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> 2) Also if I use diffrent VRF for CE4---CE2 path that will also
> work -
> 	> ??
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:57 PM, David Prall <dcp at dcptech.com>
> wrote:
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       If the link goes away, then the update should be pretty
> quick.
> 	>
> 	>       Single VRF, 2 distinct RD's. The VRF imports both,
> exports one.
> 	> The RD's are
> 	>       different so that multipath can be used within the core
> 	> typically. But in
> 	>       this case they wouldn't use multipath and the local RD
> would be
> 	> used as the
> 	>       determining factor on import of which route is installed
> first.
> 	>
> 	>       The local CE (CE3) is probing for the subnet at CE1. When
> it is
> 	> no longer
> 	>       reachable by CE3 it will move the route to CE4. As long
> as CE4 is
> 	> using CE2
> 	>       as the path via the cloud then no issue.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       David
> 	>
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> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       > -----Original Message-----
> 	>       > From: jack daniels [mailto:jckdaniels12 at gmail.com]
> 	>
> 	>       > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:19 PM
> 	>       > To: David Prall
> 	>       > Cc: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
> 	>       > Subject: Re: [c-nsp] PFR Question
> 	>       >
> 	>
> 	>       > If a single carrier, then the CE4/CE2 path needs to be
> via
> 	>       > a second RD so that the paths within the carrier are
> preferred
> 	> and the
> 	>       > same
> 	>       > will happen.????
> 	>       > DO YOU mean we need to have diifrent vrf on secondry
> end to end
> 	> path.
> 	>       >
> 	>       > I didnt get this if single carrier as link PE1 and CE1
> link
> 	> fails
> 	>       > ....CE3 send traffic for X.X.X.X to PE3.PE3 still has
> next hop
> 	> in its
> 	>       > vrf table as PE1....
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > Please help me as still confused if two carriers , how
> will
> 	> this
> 	>       > hhappen
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:29 PM, David Prall
> <dcp at dcptech.com>
> 	> wrote:
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >       Is MPLS Domain a single carrier, or two carriers.
> If two
> 	> carriers
> 	>       > then the
> 	>       >       CE3/CE4 site will see that they can't reach via
> CE3/CE1
> 	> path and
> 	>       > switch over
> 	>       >       to CE4/CE2 path. If a single carrier, then the
> CE4/CE2
> 	> path needs
> 	>       > to be via
> 	>       >       a second RD so that the paths within the carrier
> are
> 	> preferred
> 	>       > and the same
> 	>       >       will happen. PfR is providing end-to-end
> reachability
> 	> information
> 	>       > in this
> 	>       >       case, and based on that changing the local
> routing table.
> 	>       >
> 	>       >       David
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
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> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >       > -----Original Message-----
> 	>       >
> 	>       >       > From: jack daniels
> [mailto:jckdaniels12 at gmail.com]
> 	>       >       > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:07 PM
> 	>       >       > To: David Prall
> 	>       >       > Cc: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
> 	>       >       > Subject: Re: [c-nsp] PFR Question
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >       > But if you have --
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       >                       |CE1--------PE1
> 	>       >       > PE3--------CE3
> 	>       >       >  X.X.X.X---------|                 ------------
> --------
> 	> MPLS
> 	>       > DOMAIN-----
> 	>       >       > --------------
> 	>       >       >                      |  CE2--------PE2
> 	>       >       > PE4--------CE4
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       > Now my primary link is CE1-PE1 and secondary is
> CE2-PE2
> 	>       >       > If my CE1-PE1 goes down i route traffic via
> CE2-
> 	> PE2<<<<<<I
> 	>       > understand
> 	>       >       > this ok...
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       > when traffic from CE3 for X.X.X.X reaches PE3 ,
> next
> 	> hop is
> 	>       > still PE1 (
> 	>       >       > as MPBGP has not converged so fast in MPLS
> domain of
> 	> SP) ...so
> 	>       > how will
> 	>       >       > traffic be forwareded , as PFR claims 3 sec.
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:16 PM, David Prall
> 	> <dcp at dcptech.com>
> 	>       > wrote:
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       >       PfR is a unidirectional feature. The
> router on
> 	> the other
> 	>       > end
> 	>       >       > needs to be
> 	>       >       >       configured with PfR as well in order to
> have
> 	>       > bidirectional
> 	>       >       > visibility.
> 	>       >       >       Typically the master controller will be
> local to
> 	> the
> 	>       > site.
> 	>       >       >
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> 	>       >       >       > -----Original Message-----
> 	>       >       >       > From: cisco-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net
> 	> [mailto:cisco-
> 	>       > nsp-
> 	>       >       >       > bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of
> jack
> 	> daniels
> 	>       >       >       > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:35 PM
> 	>       >       >       > To: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
> 	>       >       >       > Subject: Re: [c-nsp] PFR Question
> 	>       >       >       >
> 	>       >       >       > dear guys,
> 	>       >       >       >
> 	>       >       >       > is my mail being delivered to group as
> no one
> 	> replied.
> 	>       >       >       >
> 	>       >       >       > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:42 PM, jack
> daniels
> 	>       >       >       > <jckdaniels12 at gmail.com>wrote:
> 	>       >       >       >
> 	>       >       >       > > Hi Network champs,
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > > I'm stuck in understanding of PFR .
> Docs say
> 	> it
> 	>       > converges in
> 	>       >       > 3 sec (
> 	>       >       >       > for
> 	>       >       >       > > realtime traffic VOICE )...
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > > I understand you can send traffic out
> 	> secondry link
> 	>       > but what
> 	>       >       > about
> 	>       >       >       > traffic
> 	>       >       >       > > which has to come back from remote
> end ( for
> 	> which SP
> 	>       > has not
> 	>       >       >       > converged).
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > > But if you have --
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > > |CE1--------PE1
> 	>       >       >       > > PE3--------CE3
> 	>       >       >       > >  X.X.X.X---------|                 --
> --------
> 	> --------
> 	>       > --MPLS
> 	>       >       >       > > DOMAIN-------------------
> 	>       >       >       > >                      |  CE2--------
> PE2
> 	>       >       >       > > PE4--------CE4
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > > Now my primary link is CE1-PE1 and
> secondary
> 	> is CE2-
> 	>       > PE2
> 	>       >       >       > > If my CE1-PE1 goes down i route
> traffic via
> 	> CE2-
> 	>       > PE2<<<<<<I
> 	>       >       > understand
> 	>       >       >       > this
> 	>       >       >       > > ok...
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > > BUT MY QUESTION IS -
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > > PE3 and PE4 ( for this VRF) still has
> NOW
> 	> converged
> 	>       > the BGP
> 	>       >       > and still
> 	>       >       >       > for
> 	>       >       >       > > it next hop for X.X.X.X is PE1. So
> how fwd
> 	> can happen
> 	>       > in 3
> 	>       >       > sec untill
> 	>       >       >       > > Service providers all routers dont
> converge
> 	> and
> 	>       > understand
> 	>       >       > that CE1-
> 	>       >       >       > PE1 link
> 	>       >       >       > > is down.
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > > Regards
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >       > >
> 	>       >       >
> 	>       >       >       >
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