[c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

Thu Jan 12 07:55:11 EST 2023

I understand that the people that created DNA need to be compensated but Cisco decided to build or acquire a product that not very many people want due to how much better the free tools are.

So that seems like an issue for the C-suite at Cisco and not something that you force people to bail you out of.

Also if the pricing on the hardware was reasonable and DNA was simply 'yet another tax' then that would be fine, but the hardware cost is elevated and on top of that they force you to purchase DNA.

Thanks,
-Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jared Mauch <jared at puck.nether.net> 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 2:43 PM
To: Drew Weaver <drew.weaver at thenap.com>
Cc: Paul <paul at globo.tech>; Gert Doering <gert at greenie.muc.de>; cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

I mean a lot of it is discovery based on what you may know, people leak, etc.. 

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ebay.com_itm_334605205968-3Fhash-3Ditem4de80641d0-3Ag-3A2mcAAOSwgSFihATj-26amdata-3Denc-253AAQAHAAAAoFS6a5FMPKMFewpCgtU23dVU0SQFQ-252BDr46sAaS19QJn2vSCgqcG-252BN6yyHrRh0IDsAGIeG7Dz2twn-252FdTtCy7a-252BKayr837Q5G6DtQ5wSecZpCxQE45s8vx7CBvrackFH-252FNJqIMimw-252Bci2v57-252BNMEjpVOJMRs4Ne5BPUtExJ416nVmYslj8lFgmXbkQ9S9vCmfU0wOapWkgN5BzWJx4FXnOw5k-253D-257Ctkp-253ABk9SR8LdvomxYQ&d=DwIFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=C_YA3qOb_mEq1Tm_VEA3JjfCxAe328SFqdLSDWcV8wE&s=l2Bzc4SPUxiUUktnkFdFz4NByz7Ekrm48V1pZOYlZB8&e=

Is an item that (for example) I can tell you I’ve seen vendors license their software to run on.

There’s software that you can run on top of SONIC etc as well to get features you might want/need as well.

Keep in mind the sw + hw devs for new products do need to be fed and the vendors often have hybrid ways to collect the monies, free hardware but pay in opex (support, RMA etc) or buy for higher price but get support free.

That discovery process takes awhile, but if you have volume and options to go elsewhere it may be possible to determine it.

- Jared

> On Jan 6, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp <cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net> wrote:
> 
> Also is there any way to figure out what this stuff should cost?
> 
> The resellers could just be trying to take way too much out of us. I'm not sure and I have no idea how to find out.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Drew
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-nsp <cisco-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net> On Behalf Of Drew 
> Weaver via cisco-nsp
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 9:02 AM
> To: 'Paul' <paul at globo.tech>; 'Gert Doering' <gert at greenie.muc.de>
> Cc: 'cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net' <cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?
> 
> If the price of the hardware wasn't already juiced beyond belief then maybe it would make sense but ... yeah I am just going to have to find another vendor.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Drew
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul <paul at globo.tech>
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 3:58 PM
> To: Gert Doering <gert at greenie.muc.de>; Drew Weaver 
> <drew.weaver at thenap.com>
> Cc: cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?
> 
> I'm with you on that one, licensing kills any interest in it for us too. 
> Goes for a large number of cisco products now , where before was only limited to a few.
> 
> It's sad because I love cisco switches and routers, but it's a huge 
> deterrent now with the forced licensing and support
> 
> On 1/4/2023 10:50 AM, Gert Doering via cisco-nsp wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 04, 2023 at 03:45:51PM +0000, Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp wrote:
>>> I'm trying to put together an order for some Cisco switches.
>> Cisco licensing shit has made us decide that we're just not going to 
>> buy any new Cisco products.  Period.
>> 
>> Yes, these really look nice, and the base price is quite attractive 
>> (guess why)...
>> 
>> gert
>> 
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