[cisco-voip] CCM 5 on VMWare Server 1.0.0

Thu Jul 27 23:43:09 EDT 2006

Thanks Ryan...
No.. perfect sidetrack and good point...! and actually
the customer came up with that idea before I did :-(.
But it was an older DL380-G2 and the HP dude informed
us that this could not be done on that vintage
server?? I remember doing this on IBM NICs and laptops
years ago so I could not beleive it wasn't an option.
I've honestly not had to do that before on an HP MCS
server myself but you can do it via the HP foundation
CDs??

--- Ryan Ratliff <rratliff at cisco.com> wrote:

> Not to sidetrack the thread but in that case I'd be
> changing the mac  
> on the Unity server.
> 
> -Ryan
> 
> On Jul 27, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Ted Nugent wrote:
> 
> Right on with the hardware failure deal scenario...
> emailing licensing and waiting for someone in RTP or
> SJ to come on shift is unacceptable. During working
> hours in the states turn around is pretty quick but
> I've found that APT and EMEA are good at "AVVID" TAC
> but licensing is non-existent! I had the exact
> scenario you mentioned with Unity at 1am Eastern US
> time and had to wait until 8:30am the next day to
> get
> a .lic file! The customer was furious because they
> fronted most of their calls through a unity AA. The
> HP
> guy was there to replace the motherboard within 3
> hours as contracted but we had to wait an additional
> 4
> hours for a new .lic file. And yes I did try calling
> in a P1 but no one could and/or knew how to help.
> That’s Unity
 now if you have the same problem with
> your CM Cluster its Goodbye Cisco and Hello Avaya
> for
> your customer.
> 
> --- Ryan LaTorre <rlatorre at unislumin.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Not to tow the cisco line too much, I would argue
> > that the 3.4GB of
> > patches in three months is a good thing.  Cisco is
> > undoubtedly dealing
> > with a large number of bugs, which should be
> > expected of a new product.
> > Cisco has done their part to keep it on New
> Product
> > Hold, primarily
> > approving lab deployments in which the real issues
> > will be discovered.
> > The patches have come fast and furious which tells
> > me they're feverishly
> > ramping up the stability.
> >
> > Having said that, I agree with the demo licensing
> > sentiments 100%.
> > There needs to be something readily available for
> > partners and Cisco SEs
> > to work with.
> >
> > Demo licensing isn't my only concern though.
> > Consider the operational
> > impact. The publisher hardware dies (somehow). An
> > extra server is
> > brought into service to quickly replace it, but
> wait
> > - to activate and
> > use it a special licensing request has to be
> > fulfilled. I don't know how
> > long that takes, especially if it's 2am.  Or
> > replacing a subscriber with
> > new hardware - it may be advantageous to build a
> new
> > server with a new
> > entity, add it into the cluster, and subsequently
> > remove the existing
> > one a few days later.  This will no longer be
> > possible.
> >
> > I understand the need for licensing, but the
> > operational impact has to
> > also be considered and some flexibility built-in.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
> > [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> > Behalf Of Jonathan
> > Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:17 PM
> > To: Ted Nugent
> > Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net; Serg; Andrew Riley
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCM 5 on VMWare Server
> > 1.0.0
> >
> > What's really stupid here is that they offer demo
> > licenses for Unity,
> > IPCC, CiscoWorks (90 day), etc... Why not CCM5?
> >
> > My guess is that Cisco doesn't want anyone playing
> > with it, so they
> > won't report back how buggy it is (come on guys,
> > Cisco has released
> > 3.4GB of patches (on a 1.2GB install DVD) in the
> > past three months..
> >
> > That's very bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On 7/27/06, Ted Nugent <tednugent69 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> I can't agree enough. We have at least 4 midsize
> > customers that are
> >> looking to migrate to CM5 however we are very
> > reluctant to perform any
> >
> >> sort of migration until we can get some sort of
> > license for our lab.
> >> We've been around and around with our Cisco SE's
> > but have yet to get a
> >
> >> definitive answer. Cisco's pumped up
> >> CM5 for all of our/their customers and are
> leaving
> > their partners
> >> asses in the wind on this. Very frustrating! I
> > can't imagine how much
> >> money they've lost already over something that
> > seems to be a no
> >> brainer!
> >>
> >> --- Jonathan Charles <jonvoip at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have had little or no problems installing CCM5
> > on VMWare... the
> >>> problem is licensing... Cisco needs to release a
> > demo license (5
> >>> phones, 2 nodes) for lab purposes (if they want
> > anyone to even think
> >
> >>> about deploying this thing).
> >>>
> >>> Until we have completed lab testing (which we
> > cannot do with 5),
> >>> there is no way in hell we will deploy it in our
> > network.
> >>>
> >>> Cisco's loss (our network has 240,000 users).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jonathan
> >>>
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