[cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0

Mon Feb 11 10:58:23 EST 2008

I have not used the Unity voice Portal.... Just know it's there.

you maybe right about the design but it works.  and when your talking about
$$$ schools in Oregon are short so what ever works is what they do.

As a SD in OR we buy the enterprise cals anyway so it was just a matter of
turning on the UM services.

Scott
On Feb 9, 2008 4:59 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com> wrote:

> What is this voice portal with Unity? ALso while you can run all of the
> services like you are doing for that size of a deployment it is not proper
> design. You can run Unity and exchange 2003 on the same box and make it part
> of your domain and have it be UM but it is not proper design.
>
> ALso did they already have the exchange enterprise cal? It is in addition
> to the standard exchange cal.
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2008 6:22 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Looking from VM only this is true.  But when you look at UM
> >
> > Exchange = 1 or 2 servers
> > Unity + voice portal + Exchange = 3 servers.
> >
> > They currently have 1 Exchange server doing Email, voice portal, and
> > UM.  if they have problems they can add a second server, but thus far have
> > not had issues.  Where as with Unity and the voice portal you can't even do
> > it with a single server.and UM for that matter.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong... I think Unity is more functional but because they
> > didn't put VM into the budget thinking there old VM was going to work, and
> > they already had the Exchange server / Cals it was really a no brainer.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2008 3:21 PM, Corbett Enders <cenders at homesbyavi.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I'd guess that you need a box for Unity or a box for Exchange
> > > UM,
> > > so that would be a wash.
> > > You'll need an Exchange license or a license for Unity... wash?
> > > You'll need Exchange Enterprise CALs on top of the standard CAL (it is
> > > an additive CAL now, you need both) or you get the CALs for Unity.
> > > Wash?
> > >
> > > So in the end, it boils down to functionality.   And I have to think
> > > Unity has more functionality from a pure VOICEMAIL system right now,
> > > but
> > > it won't be long for Microsoft to catch up.
> > >
> > > ---------------
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:56:50 -0600
> > > From: "Voice Noob" <voicenoob at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Exchange 2007 SIP and CCM6.0
> > > To: "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: "Madziarczyk, Jonathan" <JMad at cityofevanston.org>,
> > >        cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> > > Message-ID:
> > >        <535625f70802081456n3e55c812j7ce3cb63fb0dca5d at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > If you have 800 - 1000 phone you shoul dhave multiple exchange servers
> > > and
> > > one dedicated to the UM role according to microsoft design guides.  So
> > > once
> > > again if you add the price of the additional exchange server license
> > > and
> > > now
> > > the additional x64 server hardware I bet you are not saving much
> > > money.
> > >
> > > This does not take into account your specail state pricing.
> > >
> > > On Feb 8, 2008 4:49 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > well the School district loves Exchange for the voice portal vs the
> > > press
> > > > 1 for this that and the other thing.  unless you have a second
> > > server
> > > and
> > > > unity 5.x  which adds $$$ also.  especially on a small SD size of
> > > 800-1000
> > > > phones.  and the pricing between UM and VM licenses on Unity is
> > > huge.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > PS>  I use Unity 5.x UM personally ;-)
> > > >
> > > >   On Feb 8, 2008 1:33 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I completely agree with you. I also think that OCS will be a
> > > product
> > > > > that is going to very good after a few years.  The thing is I am
> > > installing
> > > > > these products today and must deploy the best solution for my
> > > customers and
> > > > > a hacked together system that saves them 10% is not in my best
> > > interest.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:30 PM, Craig Staffin <craig at staffin.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Voice Noob
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keep in mind that exchange 07 unified messaging is version 1.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Give it two years and see how much competition it can give to
> > > Unity.
> > > > > > My guess the way its already going is Unity will be in trouble;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just my .02
> > > > > > Craig
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:15 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not everyone has that. So once you purchase the correct
> > > exchange
> > > > > > > CAL, and the MWI software it may not be that much more to just
> > > purchase
> > > > > > > Unity. I don't think Exchange 2007 can compare to Unity in the
> > > number or
> > > > > > > features it has.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 3:11 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > School district..... SLA ..... State contract pricing......
> > > Better
> > > > > > > > pricing then Unity ;-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 1:10 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You have to purchase diffrent Exchange CAL's if you use
> > > the
> > > UM
> > > > > > > > > role so it is going to cost you more $$$ for the correct
> > > Exchange CAL.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 2:52 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What third party software are you using?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 2:47 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have it in production at one of our School Districts
> > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > with CM 5.1 not 6.x.
> > > > > > > > > > > The MWI doesn't work by default but with a 3rd party
> > > vendor
> > > > > > > > > > > their is software you load on exchange to get that
> > > working.... But the
> > > > > > > > > > > negitive is that you have to enable it on a per box
> > > basis.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 8:29 AM, Madziarczyk, Jonathan <
> > > > > > > > > > > JMad at cityofevanston.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm about to start testing Exchange 2007's new SIP
> > > > > > > > > > > > voicemail option in
> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with CCM6.0 in the hopes of that
> > > becoming
> > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > new VM system
> > > > > > > > > > > > (currently on CallXpress).  Has anyone done this
> > > yet,
> > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > have any
> > > > > > > > > > > > experience with this?  I've heard there are some MWI
> > > > > > > > > > > > issues, but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > there are 3rd party products to help with that end.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > > > JM
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