[cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Can you run the DMA process itself during business hours? 

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Steinberg" <jsteinberg at gmail.com> 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca> 
Cc: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk at cisco.com>, cisco-voip at puck.nether.net 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:56:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0 

Keep in mind Wes always sees the problem childs... :) 

I've done many 4.1 to appliance upgrades including some with AD integration and have never had any significant problems. I've had to deal with some DMA warnings but I can usually work them out. 

That being said, I would definitely run DMA well in advance of your upgrade to make sure it is completing successfully prior to your upgrade window. You can then rerun DMA during your upgrade window to get a new current copy of the 4.1 DB and use that for your upgrade. 

BAT can export some phone data, but you'll lose things like ccmuser speed dials, pab/fd, etc - one of the reasons I always try to use DMA. 


On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi < lelio at uoguelph.ca > wrote: 




thanks Wes. 

i think we'll start DMA sooner rather than later. 


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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN) 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wes Sisk" < wsisk at cisco.com > 



To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" < lelio at uoguelph.ca > 
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net , "Mike O" < mikeeo at msn.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:04:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0 

MANY variables: 
how many times upgraded 
how many interim versions were run 
what native or 3rd party tools attempted to modify the database 
who attempted directly editing the database 
how many dbl/iis problems have been encountered? Unfortunately transactions were not strictly enforced so when problems occured there were partial commits to the database 
Is enterprise LDAP integration used? This is probably the largest contributor to errors. When objects move in the enterprise there is no change notification to CM (unity tried but CN from AD appears rather unreliable) so CM ends up with numerous broken pointers in the database. 

The other systemic problem is that 4.x enforced business rules via DBL rather than directly in the database. Think of having a guard in front of your storage room, but your storage room has no shelves. Users must verify with the guard but once inside they have free reign and very little structure. 

/Wes 

On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:07:05 AM , Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote: 



well, this doesn't sound promising. what kind of garbage exists in 4.x databases? 



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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN) 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk at cisco.com> 
To: "Mike O" <mikeeo at msn.com> 
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:49:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0 

imho. run DMA. it it works for you then that is the shortest path. 
if DMA reports errors that you cannot easily repair then stare and compare. 

dma has improved significantly and even better with 7.1. however, there is so much garbage possible in 4.x databases that the migration tool simply cannot always be accurate. 
/wes 

On Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:12:39 PM , Mike O <mikeeo at msn.com> wrote: 



I have to migrate about 50 users/phone, whats the best way? DMA or start from scratch? 
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