[cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0
Wes Sisk
wsisk at cisco.com
Thu Aug 13 09:19:09 EDT 2009
That is abnormal. Did you include CDR? How many CDR did you have?
This usually extends the process significantly.
For 7500 phones I would estimate 2 hours but it does depend on how busy
your environment is and how much extra processing capacity you have.
/Wes
On Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:01:55 AM , Cristobal Priego
<cristobalpriego at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think is going to take like 10 hours
>
> I just upgraded a cluster today and they had 72 phones and it took 2
> hours to complete the Dma backup
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca
> <mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Wes. How long does the process take to run? 1 hr? 4 hr? We
>> have about 7500 end devices.
>>
>> ---
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk at cisco.com <mailto:wsisk at cisco.com>>
>> To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca <mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>>
>> Cc: "Justin Steinberg" <jsteinberg at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jsteinberg at gmail.com>>, cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>> <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:20:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0
>>
>> Technically yes, but it's not really recommended. It generates
>> significant database activity, consumes some CPU, and generates
>> reasonable disk i/o. It is MUCH less intrusive if you exclude
>> CDR's. It only runs on the publisher so if you don't have phones
>> registered to ccm.exe on the pub you can run most any time.
>>
>> Note there have been a few impactful issues with previous versions of
>> DMA, CSCsz63731 comes to mind. This would clearly impact a
>> production environment.
>>
>> /Wes
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:20:25 PM , Lelio Fulgenzi
>> <lelio at uoguelph.ca <mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> Can you run the DMA process itself during business hours?
>>
>> ---
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Justin Steinberg" <jsteinberg at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jsteinberg at gmail.com>>
>> To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca <mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>>
>> Cc: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk at cisco.com <mailto:wsisk at cisco.com>>,
>> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:56:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
>> Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0
>>
>> Keep in mind Wes always sees the problem childs... :)
>>
>> I've done many 4.1 to appliance upgrades including some with AD
>> integration and have never had any significant problems. I've
>> had to deal with some DMA warnings but I can usually work them out.
>>
>> That being said, I would definitely run DMA well in advance of
>> your upgrade to make sure it is completing successfully prior to
>> your upgrade window. You can then rerun DMA during your upgrade
>> window to get a new current copy of the 4.1 DB and use that for
>> your upgrade.
>>
>> BAT can export some phone data, but you'll lose things like
>> ccmuser speed dials, pab/fd, etc - one of the reasons I always
>> try to use DMA.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi
>> <lelio at uoguelph.ca <mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> thanks Wes.
>>
>> i think we'll start DMA sooner rather than later.
>>
>> ---
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario
>> N1G 2W1
>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk at cisco.com <mailto:wsisk at cisco.com>>
>> To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca
>> <mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>>
>> Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>> <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>, "Mike O" <mikeeo at msn.com
>> <mailto:mikeeo at msn.com>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:04:48 AM GMT -05:00
>> US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0
>>
>> MANY variables:
>> how many times upgraded
>> how many interim versions were run
>> what native or 3rd party tools attempted to modify the database
>> who attempted directly editing the database
>> how many dbl/iis problems have been encountered?
>> Unfortunately transactions were not strictly enforced so when
>> problems occured there were partial commits to the database
>> Is enterprise LDAP integration used? This is probably the
>> largest contributor to errors. When objects move in the
>> enterprise there is no change notification to CM (unity tried
>> but CN from AD appears rather unreliable) so CM ends up with
>> numerous broken pointers in the database.
>>
>> The other systemic problem is that 4.x enforced business
>> rules via DBL rather than directly in the database. Think of
>> having a guard in front of your storage room, but your
>> storage room has no shelves. Users must verify with the
>> guard but once inside they have free reign and very little
>> structure.
>>
>> /Wes
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:07:05 AM , Lelio Fulgenzi <
>> <mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>lelio at uoguelph.ca
>> <mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> well, this doesn't sound promising. what kind of garbage
>> exists in 4.x databases?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph,
>> Ontario N1G 2W1
>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> "Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wes Sisk" <
>> <mailto:wsisk at cisco.com>wsisk at cisco.com
>> <mailto:wsisk at cisco.com>>
>> To: "Mike O" < <mailto:mikeeo at msn.com>mikeeo at msn.com
>> <mailto:mikeeo at msn.com>>
>> Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>> <mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:49:47 AM GMT -05:00
>> US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to
>> Cisco BE 7.0
>>
>> imho. run DMA. it it works for you then that is the
>> shortest path.
>> if DMA reports errors that you cannot easily repair then
>> stare and compare.
>>
>> dma has improved significantly and even better with 7.1.
>> however, there is so much garbage possible in 4.x
>> databases that the migration tool simply cannot always be
>> accurate.
>> /wes
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:12:39 PM , Mike O <
>> <mailto:mikeeo at msn.com>mikeeo at msn.com
>> <mailto:mikeeo at msn.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I have to migrate about 50 users/phone, whats the
>> best way? DMA or start from scratch?
>>
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