[cisco-voip] SIP as a gateway Protocol

Wed Nov 4 08:37:00 EST 2009

Nick that is what I am  asking. I in no way want to go with a SIP trunk to
the PSTN I just want to use SIP as my gateway protocol. So the Telco still
hands me a PRI / FXO lines and instead of using MGCP or H.323 I would use
SIP. As far as why drop H.323 I don't have a reason to but when doing new
customer deployments I don't want to put one thing in and then migrate to
something else two years down the road. 

So I ask my question again has anyone used SIP as their GW protocol instead
of H.323? Any problems or things I should look for? Should I just not do it
yet. 

From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Tim Smith
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:07 PM
To: Nick Matthews
Cc: CiscosupportUpuck
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP as a gateway Protocol

Hi Nick,

What about using SIP just as protocol to replace H323 / MGCP between CCM and
your Voice Gateway?

Cheers,

Tim

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Nick Matthews <matthnick at gmail.com> wrote:

You can get an over-the-top SIP provider, but if you get voice quality
problems you'll have some trouble getting your ISP and SIP provider to
play nicely.  Once it leaves your gateway you can't prove who may be
causing the problem if there is jitter or packet loss.  Your ISP
probably won't have any idea how to deal with it, because for
traditional data these types of packet problems do not have much
consequence.

If you're cool with that, there are hundreds of providers of varying
quality.

The suggestion is still to go with the data line from the SIP
provider.  You may be able to save some money on equipment
consolidation or pricing depending on your volume / area as well.
It's not the best scenario for every case, but there are certainly
cases where it makes since and these cases are growing.

-nick

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Tim Smith <thsglobal at gmail.com> wrote:
> We dont have too many SIP providers here in Oz at the moment anyway.
> We were talking about just using SIP between CCM and the Gateway. Vs MGCP
> and H323.
>
> Fax / modem could definitely be a good point though.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim.
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>
>> From our initial conversations with our PSTN providers, SIP was a few
>> years away with feature parity with H323/MGCP/PRI trunks.
>>
>> FAX support was definately out of the question, and there were crazy
>> requirements about not being able to do voice only on the ethernet trunk.
We
>> had to buy a data package that was no more than 50% voice traffic. For
us,
>> we get our internet through our regional network at dirt cheap prices
>> because we basically run a co-op. For others it might make sense to move
to
>> the same PSTN/SIP/Internet carrier, but for us it didn't. Even our backup
>> internet link is cheaper than the PSTN provider could price I believe.
>>
>> The other thing was route diversity and multiple demarcs. I think those
>> were quite expensive where as now, we get it at no extra cost.
>>
>> I've long been a proponent of if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Even when
>> we went to tender and ended up switching our PRIs to another local
carrier,
>> it was a LOT of work. I understood it saved us quite a bit of money, so
it
>> was worth it in the end for a three year contract. That being said, don't
>> expect that SIP will be cheaper than PRIs and/or without it's own
problems.
>>
>> Caveat Emptor as my friend Caesar said.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tim Smith
>> To: STEVEN CASPER
>> Cc: CiscosupportUpuck
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP as a gateway Protocol
>> Also, SIP is slightly easier to troubleshoot than H323, much more so than
>> MGCP. (And I also dont like MGCP anyway :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tim.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Tim Smith <thsglobal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I like the idea.
>>>
>>> More and more SIP trunks will be turning up. Why bother having to go
from
>>> H323 to SIP. Simpler just to run SIP.
>>>
>>> I also like SIP and how you can set it up to monitor the destination of
>>> your dial-peers. Shut them down if a CCM is down.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, STEVEN CASPER <SCASPER at mtb.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I assume you are talking traditional analog and digital PSTN
>>>> gateways, why are you considering migrating to SIP to control these as
>>>> opposed to H323? .
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> >>> Voice Noob <voicenoob at gmail.com> 11/3/2009 6:09 PM >>>
>>>> Has anyone started using SIP on the PSTN gateway? I want to use it
>>>> instead of H.323 or MGCP and start migrating it to SIP on the gateway.
Any
>>>> experience with this? Can I get Calling Name and Number from the PSTN
side?
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