[cisco-voip] UCS chassis redundancy

Tue Aug 30 14:47:13 EDT 2011

And just to be clear, I'm referring to standard UC hardware.  I don't think I'd ever want a situation where a single point of failure would halt voice communications for an entire office.  That has bad situation written all over it.  

I think we can all agree we see enough bad situations as it is.

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From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wellnitz, Erick A.
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:33 PM
To: Matthew Berry
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] UCS chassis redundancy

Topology should always be a consideration.
We run redundant full mesh wans with 2 different providers.

Trust me.  No issues with upgrades or replication.

On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, "Matthew Berry" <matthew.berry at cdw.com<mailto:matthew.berry at cdw.com>> wrote:

I'd have to agree with Dennis, and not just because we work at the same company. :)

Yes, bandwidth is cheap, Erick.  However, experience has shown that a branch office running a few bonded T1s or T3s isn't going to be as reliable as a customers data center LAN.  If you put a subscriber out at a remote site, running on an ISR G2, can you image the impact of that site's circuit was flapping over a few days (carriers aren't always the quickest to dispatch)?

I would rather keep my CUCM servers in 1-2 data centers with some sort of other resilient data connection in between.  If one of the branches has a circuit flap issue, only that branch is affected, not the entire environment.

Scalability is another thing.  Unless you setup a supercluster, you're not going to get past the eight subscriber limitation in CUCM.  You're going to wind up with some sites running off a remote CUCM anyway.

Last thing...  Cisco is extremely strict regarding the hardware requirements for virtualized UC servers.  I can't imagine them ever approving an ESXi-based UC solution running off a service module.  Even the SRE-910SM falls short with a Intel Core Duo, 1.86 Ghz and 8GB of RAM.  Such a setup would only potentially be able to support a single UC virtualized application.

Thanks!

Matthew Berry, CCIE #26721 (Voice)
CDW | Sr. Unified Communications Engineer
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From: "Wellnitz, Erick A." <<mailto:erick.wellnitz at kattenlaw.com>erick.wellnitz at kattenlaw.com<mailto:erick.wellnitz at kattenlaw.com>>
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:59:50 +0000
To: Dennis Heim <<mailto:Dennis.Heim at cdw.com>Dennis.Heim at cdw.com<mailto:Dennis.Heim at cdw.com>>, Lelio Fulgenzi <<mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>lelio at uoguelph.ca<mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>>, Nick Matthews <<mailto:matthnick at gmail.com>matthnick at gmail.com<mailto:matthnick at gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] UCS chassis redundancy

We already do it with standard server hardware.  Database replication is a non-issue.  Bandwidth is cheap.  Upgrades aren't a problem  seeing as they can be staged and run the 'switch version' command at a later time.

Lower bandwidth situations would be a no go.

From: <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net> [<mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Heim
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] UCS chassis redundancy

I am going to go with "NO" on that. Imagine database replication across all sites? Imagine doing major version upgrades.

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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] UCS chassis redundancy

won't it be great when the VMware service modules on the ISR G2s support installing CUCM on it? a full subscriber at each remote site. ;)

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From: "Nick Matthews" <<mailto:matthnick at gmail.com>matthnick at gmail.com<mailto:matthnick at gmail.com>>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:42:59 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] UCS chassis redundancy

I'm seeing a lot of B-series at the data center and a C-series at a remote site or DR.  Otherwise, a second chassis isn't *too* expensive.  The bulk of the cost is in the blades and the 6100s.  You still need power supplies, IO, chassis, but it's not too bad.  Seeing a decent amount of 2nd chassis as well.  A lot of the DC types that are putting their blades in there as well help offset the cost.

-nick
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Wellnitz, Erick A. <<mailto:erick.wellnitz at kattenlaw.com>erick.wellnitz at kattenlaw.com<mailto:erick.wellnitz at kattenlaw.com>> wrote:
Has anyone had issues with the UCS blade chassis being a single point of failure?    What happens if the chassis itself fails?  DO people have redundant chassis installed?  A C series UCS for disaster situations?

I don't like having all my eggs in one basket.

ERICK A. WELLNITZ
Network Engineer
Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP

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