[cisco-voip] Moving to 10 digit dialing

Tue Dec 20 17:43:43 EST 2011

We actually took a modified device/line approach : external numbers are all allowed on the device and blocked on the line, internal numbers are allowed on the line. Works well. 

I loose sleep only when the documentation doesn't match the system and/or there's a bug that prevents us from doing something. 

OK, one other time I lost sleep.... You know those 10-10-XXX numbers they advertise for long distance bypass? Well, they're not really 10-10 numbers, they're 101 numbers with a XXXX suffix. Drove me nuts because the route filter stipulates the transit escape as a three digit number and the transit network as the four digit number. I thought they had it backwards. duh! 

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU) 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil) 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Heim" <Dennis.Heim at cdw.com> 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>, "Nate VanMaren" <VanMarenNP at ldschurch.org> 
Cc: "cisco-voip VOIP" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:38:48 PM 
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Moving to 10 digit dialing 

You would need to have translation patterns for internal ranges somewhere in your dial plan ahead of your @ patterns if you wanted to enable calls those number for all class of restrictions. If your uses are not dialing the full 11, they would be hitting a translation pattern anyway. There are multiple ways to skin this cat. It just depends what you are trying to accomplish with a few sleepless nights and some lab time it all works beautifully with the exception being transformation patterns and mid-call updates (aka transfers, etc). 

Dennis Heim 
Senior Engineer (Unified Communications) 
CDW Advanced Technology Services 
10610 9 th Place 
Bellevue, WA 98004 

425.310.5299 Single Number Reach (WA) 

317.569.4255 Single Number Reach (IN) 
317.569.4201 Fax 
dennis.heim at cdw.com 
cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/ 

From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:17 PM 
To: Nate VanMaren 
Cc: cisco-voip VOIP 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Moving to 10 digit dialing 

Also, I think somebody mentioned it's difficult to deploy the device/line approach with 9.@ and route filters. I have deployed the device/line approach, i.e. allow all on the device + block on the line, and it works without issues. 

I think this borders on MAC vs PC argument, where each side thinks they're right, where really, it's all about what you're trying to do. 

But that being said, using the @ pattern is the right way to go. ;) 

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU) 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil) 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Nate VanMaren" < VanMarenNP at ldschurch.org > 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" < lelio at uoguelph.ca >, "Mike King" < me at mpking.com > 
Cc: "cisco-voip VOIP" < cisco-voip at puck.nether.net > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:50:20 PM 
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Moving to 10 digit dialing 

I agree with Lelio, 

People who are afraid or frown on using route filters just don’t understand. 

I’d like to see anyone who actually does TEHO and routes local calls as local without using route filters. The number of route patterns would be huge!!! 

Let’s take calling from the Salt Lake City Rate Center, there is 526 Local Prefixes in the 801 and 385 area codes. 

Those can be summarized in the last digit of the NXX to 93 Patterns. 

Those patterns can be either 9 Route Filters and 9 route patterns, or 93 or 526 route patterns. Have a hard time thinking that 526 route patterns is easier to import and maintain!!! 

Here’s the 9 route filters for all of the local calls in the salt lake rate center 

(OFFICE-CODE == 20[0-57-9] AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 202 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 21[2-589] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 21[28] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 22[679] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 220 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 23[0-36-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 23[24] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 24[25] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 24X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 25[29] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 25X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) 

(OFFICE-CODE == 26X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 27X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 28[0-24-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 282 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 29X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 30X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 31[2-6] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 31[39] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 322 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 32X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 33[035689] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 34[679] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) 

(OFFICE-CODE == 35[02359] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 351 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 36[3-6] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 38[1-46] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 39[07] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 399 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 40[1-38] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 41[02-579] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 42[1458] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 43[2389] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 439 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) 

(OFFICE-CODE == 44[024-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 45[013-6] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 46[0-46-8] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 468 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 47[48] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 48[0-8] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 49[0357-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 50[1-35-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 51[02-47-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 52[0-4679] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 53X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) 

(OFFICE-CODE == 54X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 55[02-46-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 56[0-35-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 57X AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 58[0-57-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 59[013-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 60[1468] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 61[37-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 628 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 628 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 63[0-57-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) 

(OFFICE-CODE == 64[13679] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 646 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 65[12467] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 66[0-5] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 67[1-46-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 68[02-58] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 69[34689] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 70[236-8] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 71[235689] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 72[15-7] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 73[3689] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) 

(OFFICE-CODE == 74[1346-8] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 743 AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 385) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 75[057-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 78[03] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 79[023579] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 80[37-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 81[035-79] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 82[468] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 83[1-57-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 84[024689] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 85[689] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) 

(OFFICE-CODE == 86[04579] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 87[0-2589] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 88[02-46-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 89[12578] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 90[2-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 91[02-68] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 92[347-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 93[013-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 94[2-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 95[1-7] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 96[1-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) 

(OFFICE-CODE == 97[0-57-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 98[1-46-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) OR (OFFICE-CODE == 99[0-46-9] AND LONG-DISTANCE-DIRECT-DIAL EXISTS AND AREA-CODE == 801) 

From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:59 AM 
To: Mike King 
Cc: cisco-voip VOIP 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Moving to 10 digit dialing 

i'm sure there are advantages and disadvantages to both, but I've used the @ macro with associated filters for the last number of years and it works like a charm. troubleshooting is not a problem as far as I know because it presents the matching regexp not the @ pattern when the match is made. 

and with route filters it's very easy to exclude a particular route pattern without having to create an additional route pattern. it's also easier to add a non-contiguous pattern to a route filter as well. 

as always, your particular application, desires, skill set and opinion will obviously dictate what you use, but i really don't think the @ pattern is the evil step-mother everyone makes it out to be. 

--- 
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU) 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil) 

From: "Mike King" < me at mpking.com > 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" < lelio at uoguelph.ca > 
Cc: "Mark Holloway" < mh at markholloway.com >, "cisco-voip VOIP" < cisco-voip at puck.nether.net > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:30:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Moving to 10 digit dialing 

I found a funny, and thoughtful post on this awhile ago: 

http://networkingnerd.net/2011/05/26/9-must-die/ 

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi < lelio at uoguelph.ca > wrote: 

Mark makes a good point here for the transition period when 7 digit dialing coincides with 10 digit dialing, 7 digit dialing can be all encompassing, and 10 digit dialing should only be for your area codes. Once the transition is complete, the 10 digit dialing should be all encompassing and the 7 digit dialing should be for specific digit strings. 

That would be the way I would go anyways. 

--- 
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU) 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil) 

From: "Mark Holloway" < mh at markholloway.com > 
To: "Mike Hyde" < mhyde at monitor.mts.net > 
Cc: "cisco-voip VOIP" < cisco-voip at puck.nether.net > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:35:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Moving to 10 digit dialing 

Sorry, make that $ not ! My brain is in Unix mode today. :) 

dial-peer 7 < Support 7 digit dialing 
[2-9]......$ 

dial-peer 10 < Support 10 digit dialing in your area 
213[2-9]......$ 

dial-peer 11 < Support North American Long Distance 
1[2-9].........$ 

On Dec 20, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Mark Holloway wrote: 

For clarification, I assume this is for North America? If your area code is 213 you could create the following: 

dial-peer 7 < Support 7 digit dialing 
[2-9]......! 

dial-peer 10 < Support 10 digit dialing in your area 
213[2-9]......! 

dial-peer 11 < Support North American Long Distance 
1[2-9].........! 

When your area switches to 10 digit and it is enforced by your telco, you could prepend 213 to the dialed digits in dial-peer 7 if needed. 

On Dec 20, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Mike Hyde wrote: 

> Is there a way on a CME/UC5** series system to have both 7 and 10 digit dialing? Our area is switching to 10 digit dial next year, so we are looking at configuring the system with both till the cutover is done. 
> 
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