[cisco-voip] Remove lines on phones with BAT

[Josh Warcop]

Even with that info I haven't seen a business elect to not provide 911. The legality question was raised and a business generally isn't going to be taken to court for failing to have 911 immediately accessible on their corporate provided phones. What I am seeing is an upcoming wave of folks that do not have E911. The immediate counter argument is people have mobile phones.

I work with law firms and they've done all the research for me.

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From: Brian Meade<mailto:bmeade90 at vt.edu>
Sent: ‎10/‎29/‎2014 6:17 PM
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Cc: Erick Wellnitz<mailto:ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>; Anthony Holloway<mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com>; cisco-voip voyp list<mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Remove lines on phones with BAT

That's dangerous info to pass around without being a lawyer.  The law is
going to vary state by state about whether all phones have to be able to
dial 911.  And legislation is constantly changing.  Right now, there's
Kari's law going around trying to get passed which will force everyone to
not require any sort of access code to dial 911-
http://www.change.org/p/let-hotel-phones-dial-911-easily-help-enact-kari-s-law

Brian

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Josh Warcop <josh at warcop.com> wrote:

>  Negative. A corporation is not required to offer 911 services to the
> internal PBX connected phones. The business pays the 911 access fees via
> their bill but that doesn't have to translate to an internally built
> system. The ACTUAL problem is that in states with E911 legislation is
> you'll get a very very very hefty bill from emergency services if they
> dispatch and you didn't tell them what building, floor, aisle, and cube
> they should respond to. Legally is one thing but it quickly becomes if you
> want to pay that fine for NOT having E911. If you don't have emergency
> responder be prepared to add it soon as many states are adding more E911
> laws.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
>  ------------------------------
> From: Erick Wellnitz <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>
> Sent: ‎10/‎29/‎2014 4:47 PM
> To: Anthony Holloway <avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com>
> Cc: cisco-voip voyp list <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Remove lines on phones with BAT
>
>  Not having lines on a physical phone can be a career altering decision
> if someone needs to dial emergency services and they grab the
> nearest logged out phone.  There could also be legal issues but I'm not a
> lawyer so take that for what you will.
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's a "Yes" for my experiences.  The logout profile or default state of
> the phone has a nonDID in most cases, DID in a few cases (with a CSS
> restriction for Internal and EMS), and the UDP of the user has a DID in
> most cases, nonDID in a few cases (with typical CSS).
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So what are people doing in a Extension Mobility only environment?
> Burning two DN's?  one for the user and one for every phone?
>
>  scott
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Ryan Ratliff (rratliff) <
> rratliff at cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Auto-reg will provision lines as well, and I agree with Anthony.
> I don't think anyone wants to deal with the potential issue of somebody
> picking up a phone to dial emergency services and not getting dialtone.
>
> -Ryan
>
>  On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Scott,
>
>  SIP or SCCP, either way, for emergency reasons you don't want phones
> laying about, unable to save a life when people depend on the reliability
> of 911.
>
>  Here's one option without knowing your environment design or
> limitations:  Setup Auto Registration and then Bulk Delete all the phones.
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Ryan Ratliff (rratliff) <
> rratliff at cisco.com> wrote:
>
> All phones? SIP phones won't register without a line.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On Oct 28, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Scott Voll <svoll.voip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> is there a way to bulk delete all lines on all phones?
>
> we are moving to extension mobility and want to remove all the lines on
> all the phones
>
> Thanks
>
> scott
>
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