[cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM

Thu Jun 29 12:42:11 EDT 2017

Keep in mind an upgrade can throw off the purges.  I've seen on CUCM after
an upgrade, the older backups from the previous version would not be purged
on the SFTP server.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:

>
> Gotcha - but only until the max number of files is reached. If I set
> something to 12 (for monthly backups) and I just started, I won't really
> know.
>
> It's not a big deal for now. It's just a shame that they don't show the
> information that is obviously in the database.
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
> Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
> University of Guelph
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> lelio at uoguelph.ca
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
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> Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Huff [mailto:ryanhuff at outlook.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 10:52 AM
> To: Lelio Fulgenzi
> Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
>
> There should be a unique XML file for each backup set (collection of .tar
> files). The number of XML files present in and of itself, should represent
> the number of backup sets within the backup destination folder.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks Ryan! Pointing me to the XML is good enough for now. I wish it
> had the total number of backups stored, but that's ok.
> >
> > I like the idea of your script copying files to off-site as well.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> > Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure Computing and Communications
> > Services (CCS) University of Guelph
> >
> > 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> > lelio at uoguelph.ca
> > www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> > Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G
> > 2W1
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ryan Huff [mailto:ryanhuff at outlook.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 10:28 AM
> > To: Lelio Fulgenzi
> > Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
> >
> > I have a little CLI and GUI based script that fires via CRON on the SFTP
> archive (it's a Linux box). It parses the XMLs and extrapolates ctime/mtime
> from the file attributes. It isn't a "pretty" report by any means but maybe
> gets close to what you want (number of backups and create/mod times). Also
> has a little feature to copy every 3rd backup set to a NFS (via Samba)
> destination as an "offsite" backup. Probably could add SMS/Spark
> notifications through Tropo/Spark without too much fuss.
> >
> > Its PHP now, but I can refactor into Python, Pearl or Ruby (could
> probably do it in Bash too) if needed. Just let me know.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Just to follow up on this...
> >>
> >> The CLI commands allow you to set all the requirements of backup
> devices and scheduled backups, but the "show" feature is lacking. The
> listing of backup devices don't show the number of backups kept and the
> listing of the schedules don't show the actual time the backups take place.
> >>
> >> I guess it is what it is.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> >> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure Computing and Communications
> >> Services (CCS) University of Guelph
> >>
> >> 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> >> lelio at uoguelph.ca
> >> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> >> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G
> >> 2W1
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> >> Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:28 PM
> >> To: Matthew Loraditch; NateCCIE; 'Pawlowski, Adam';
> >> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> >> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
> >>
> >>
> >> True enough. I guess what I was trying to say was, by having a
> standalone xLM server, it's not dependent on the co-res server staying up.
> And because version compatibility was not straightforward when we installed
> things, a standalone server allowed us to service licenses until no longer
> compatible, then just spin up a new server and migrate/request new licenses.
> >>
> >> I guess it's all what you're comfortable with, either way would work.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> >> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure Computing and Communications
> >> Services (CCS) University of Guelph
> >>
> >> 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> >> lelio at uoguelph.ca
> >> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> >> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G
> >> 2W1
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Matthew Loraditch [mailto:MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:01 PM
> >> To: Lelio Fulgenzi; NateCCIE; 'Pawlowski, Adam';
> >> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> >> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
> >>
> >> You can still pool even if it's not standalone
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> >> Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:51 AM
> >> To: NateCCIE <nateccie at gmail.com>; 'Pawlowski, Adam'
> >> <ajp26 at buffalo.edu>; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> >> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
> >>
> >>
> >> For us, it's the license pooling that is of benefit. Spare licenses can
> be used to quickly spin up a lab cluster for testing, etc.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> >> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure Computing and Communications
> >> Services (CCS) University of Guelph
> >>
> >> 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> >> lelio at uoguelph.ca
> >> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> >> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G
> >> 2W1
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NateCCIE [mailto:nateccie at gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:48 PM
> >> To: Lelio Fulgenzi; 'Pawlowski, Adam'; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> >> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
> >>
> >> I have removed all of the standalone PLM/ELMs from my customers.  It
> just didn't make sense to have to worry about another box.  I never found a
> use case that having a separate box actually made a difference.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> >> Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:41 AM
> >> To: Pawlowski, Adam <ajp26 at buffalo.edu>; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> >> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
> >>
> >> Thanks for the feedback. I'll have to look at the CLI scheduling
> options.
> >>
> >> I see that it's going away in v12 (smart only) but we'll be on v11 for
> the next couple of years at least. So I'd like to see this working. We'll
> have to watch out for server restarts. I have a script that checks for
> daily backups so that would theoretically catch it.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> >> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure Computing and Communications
> >> Services (CCS) University of Guelph
> >>
> >> 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> >> lelio at uoguelph.ca
> >> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> >> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G
> >> 2W1
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> >> Behalf Of Pawlowski, Adam
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:33 PM
> >> To: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> >> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
> >>
> >> You can schedule it from the CLI but I find that restarting this
> machine in the past has turned this backup off, and I would have to go
> reschedule it and turn it on.
> >>
> >> If you're using it for usage reporting this is probably more concerning
> than if it is just providing licensing. Since we don't often issue new
> licenses out into our system the "restore" would just be missing that usage
> data but would be fine to restore licensing should we have to rebuild this
> machine.
> >> (Standalone PLM).
> >>
> >> Supposedly it is gone after 11.5 anyways so I am not too concerned
> about it.
> >> I don't know how the "satellite" works at this point to tell if it is
> just the same thing as PLM again or not.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Adam Pawlowski
> >> SUNYAB NCS
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------
> >>
> >>
> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:31:22 +0000
> >> From: Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> >> To: Ryan Huff <ryanhuff at outlook.com>
> >> Cc: "voyp list, cisco-voip (cisco-voip at puck.nether.net)"
> >>  <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
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> >>
> >> Yes ? we?re looking at a stand alone PLM. We have multiple voicemail
> and cucm clusters and liked the idea of separate xLMs.
> >>
> >> In the GUI, I just have backup/restore. That?s it. No devices, no
> schedules, nothing. Not even # of copies to keep. Docs say that?s limited
> to 2.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> >> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure Computing and Communications
> >> Services (CCS) University of Guelph
> >>
> >> 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> >> lelio at uoguelph.ca
> >> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> >> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G
> >> 2W1
> >>
> >> From: Ryan Huff [mailto:ryanhuff at outlook.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:19 AM
> >> To: Lelio Fulgenzi
> >> Cc: voyp list, cisco-voip (cisco-voip at puck.nether.net)
> >> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] um, where'd the scheduled backups go in PLM
> >>
> >> Are you dealing with a standalone PLM? If it's co-res, you'd just
> backup the PLM feature in the normal CUCM DRS.
> >>
> >> For standalone, you should be able to use all the normal CLI DRS
> utilities (or activate the CUCM application for the purpose of accessing
> DRS).
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ryan
> >>
> >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca<mailto:
> lelio at uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
> >>
> >> So, just setting up PLM, and I noticed, surprisingly enough, that the
> backup/restore menu is a simplified menu of what ELM had.
> >>
> >> Basically, just backup/restore.
> >>
> >> No scheduled backups, no different backup device configurations.
> >>
> >> While I can appreciate not much changing in the licensing manager, it?s
> still a drag to see this gone. We built some workflow and recovery
> strategies based on this.
> >>
> >> Any ideas as to why this happened?
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> >> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure Computing and Communications
> >> Services (CCS) University of Guelph
> >>
> >> 519-824-4120 Ext 56354
> >> lelio at uoguelph.ca<mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> >> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs>
> >> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building Guelph, Ontario, N1G
> >> 2W1
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