[cisco-voip] UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

Tue Sep 12 15:34:28 EDT 2017

That’d be an option for sure, but not exactly the cleanest for a facility that you just want the “store in a box” as Chris says. There was an old organization I did work for that at their smaller locations just used 3 FXOs for all their outbound, having to buy a separate VG unit for those small locations would be a shame.

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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

Maybe a vg310 or vg320 with HWIC cards?

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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

Sounds like the only ones left out are the little guys with FXO/S and E&M ports, unless its hiding in one of those numerous specifications. Sounds like a very interesting product, and I’d like to see what Cisco does with it, since 12 compute cores, 64gb of ram, and an m2 and 2 SFF HDDs in RAID 1 could run a decent size system with some to spare.

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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

That’s exactly my barometer for this sort of stuff!

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/routers/5400-enterprise-network-compute-system/datasheet-c78-738512.html

is this sufficient?

Telecom

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TIA-968-B:2009
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HKTA 2017:2010
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ID0002:2007
IS6100:2004
DSPR Gray Book:2000
DSPR Technical Condition: 2004
E1
AS/ACIF S016: 2001
AS/ACIF S038: 2001
G.703:2001
TBR 4:1995
TBR 12:1993
TBR 13:1996
RRA 2009-38
(RRL 2005-96)
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IS6100: 2004
PTC 220:2008
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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

That sounds quite interesting, but unless it supports our old school analog modules and T1s I think they’ll still need something on the ISR platform. Would be grand for sites running full SIP and no analog though.

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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

I’m wondering if they’re gonna phase out the BE6K (and the 4000 ISr eventually) in lieu of these:

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/routers/5000-series-enterprise-network-compute-system/index.html

I stumbled across this new device while researching the UCS-E stuff.

It sounds rather interesting.

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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

I know I’ve read they’re phasing out the existing BE6KS, but I do wonder if that might just be on due to the fact that it’s built on the 2900 platform, and they just haven’t announced a formal solution on 4400 series units yet. I mean, people were essentially doing the BE6KS prior to its inception, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the end objective.

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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

Correct.

Happy to help. I spent a year and half deploying stores in a box for a retail org in the US. I’ve built over 100 -  E140M2s.  Then Cisco came out with the BEK6S and I had to two of them ( a little less complex) but interesting to plan/figure out best ways to do things. Now I hear Cisco is getting rid of the BEK6S combo.

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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

Excellent examples. I’m thinking of going with example 2.

In your case then, your collab apps are using the IP address of ge0/0 (which I’m assuming is 10.180.X.2) as their default gateway, correct?

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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

Here are two examples I’ve used in the past

----example 1  -------
ip unnumbered and Vlans  – so you have some ip range flexibility.  ( also I think the external NIC is just a layer 2 interface that is for outside switch connectivity)

I this case I only used 2/0 for the CIMC and esxi and the 2/1 for all host communications ( voice, firewall, vmware)  broke out onto vlans

interface ucse2/0
ip unnumbered Vlan11
imc ip address 10.20.X.X 255.255.255.192 default-gateway 10.20.X.X (where this is the IP of Vlan11)
imc access-port shared-lom console
!
( if you plan on using the other IP”s in the vlan 11 range you have to put static routes to this interface)
ip route 10.20.X.132 255.255.255.255 ucse2/0 name cimc
ip route 10.20.X.133 255.255.255.255 ucse2/0 name exsi

interface ucse2/1
description Internal switch interface connected to Service Module
switchport trunk native vlan 11
switchport trunk allowed vlan 1-5,7,8,12
switchport mode trunk
no ip address

interface Vlan11
description Management Vlan
ip address 10.20.X.X 255.255.255.192

interface Vlan2
description Voice Vlan
ip address 10.20.99.X 255.255.255.128

….

---- example 2 -----

Basic voice installation with a BEK6S – nothing fancy since it was a base 100 user system with Router as SRST to a single CUCM/CUC/IMP

interface ucse1/0
description Internal interface connected to UCSE Port 0
ip unnumbered GigabitEthernet0/0
imc ip address 10.180.X.5 255.255.254.0 default-gateway 10.180.X.2
 imc access-port shared-lom console
!
interface ucse1/1
description Internal switch interface connected to UCSE Port 1
no ip address

ip route 10.180.X.5 255.255.255.255 ucse1/0 name cimc
ip route 10.180.X.6 255.255.255.255 ucse1/0 name esxi
ip route 10.180.X.7 255.255.255.255 ucse1/0 name CUCM
ip route 10.180.X.8 255.255.255.255 ucse1/0 name CUPS
ip route 10.180.X.9 255.255.255.255 ucse1/0 name CUC

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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

Thanks Chris. This is the answer I seem to be getting from different avenues. I like to get comments about design and deployment options from various sources.

The TAC confirmed using all interfaces at once, but cautioned that they are not bonded together. So in my case, I’d have vSwitch zero for management using ge<slot>/2 (external) and vSwitch one for applications using ge<slot>/0 (internal L3 interface).

I’m still working out how to configure things  with respect to what the default gateway of the guest applications would be, but I think I’m there. Essentially create a loopback and assign that loopback to the ip unnumbered configuration on the UCS-E blade itself. This loopback would be a subnet of, say, /29, with 6 usable ip addresses, one for router, 5 for guests. Overkill, but I can’t go with just two host ip address that you get with a /30. This loopback would then be the default gateway of the guest application on the same subnet.

I’ve also asked the TAC to confirm what type of port is the external GE connection – L2 or L3 or selectable? I’d want to be able to plug the external GE connection into an upstream switch configured for the campus ESXi host VLAN.

If you have thoughts on any of the above, that would be great!

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Subject: RE: UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

Lelio

I’m my experience you will have two internal (router) interfaces to the E140 blade 2/0 and 2/1 plus an external NIC on the card blade itself (I’ve never used it, couldn’t find a reason to)

So you could definitely setup one NIC as internal and the other as External inside the router and or use the external NIC as well as a backup to switch.

Vmware just see’s the 3 NIC’s and you can use them as you see fit with VSwitch setups as normal UCS seriers servers.

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Subject: [cisco-voip] UCS-E and using both internal and external connections.

I'm in the process of designing a new demployment of four ucs-E blades (e140s-m2) into four ISR-G2 routers (2x3945,1x3925,1x2921).

The question I have is whether or not I can use _both_ an internal interface and external interface to communicate with the blade? External for ESXi and internal for guests (unity express) running on ESXi.

I'd like to use external for ESXi to stick with existing models but to also remove the router internals as a failure point. The guest itself would need to talk with the router internals to ensure unity express can register with SRST without any infrastructure requirements.

What are people's thoughts about this?

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