[cisco-voip] Spectre and Meltdown remediation as relevant to Cisco systems

Wed Jan 10 12:10:23 EST 2018

Ok. one last question (for now)

Why BIOS updates for C Series servers?

What do those updates address?

The CIMC application? Or more?

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From: Ben Amick [mailto:bamick at HumanArc.com]
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Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Spectre and Meltdown remediation as relevant to Cisco systems

Correct, malicious code in the web browser would be the exploit.

Ben Amick
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Spectre and Meltdown remediation as relevant to Cisco systems

But that would mean my administrator is trying to exploit the system, wouldn’t it?

Or are we saying that an administrator with access to the browser would click on a malicious link that would run that code?

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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Spectre and Meltdown remediation as relevant to Cisco systems

So long as those administrators never used a web browser when they logged in, since you can exploit Meltdown with JavaScript.

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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Spectre and Meltdown remediation as relevant to Cisco systems

OK – Just so I’m clear why the baremetal UCOS version isn’t vulnerable…

Is it because this is a “local attack” ? And needs someone to login to the shell?

https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/viewAlert.x?alertId=56354 : CPU hardware contains multiple vulnerabilities that could allow a local attacker to execute arbitrary code with user privileges and gain access to sensitive information on a targeted system.

If we were to assume that no one could log into the Window shell other than administrators, would that also be safe?

Sorry, silly questions, I know.

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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Spectre and Meltdown remediation as relevant to Cisco systems

The only baremetal versions of those products that would require a patch are the ones that ran on Windows. Since we moved to linux root has been locked down and you can’t run custom code on the box, which is a requirement for exploitation of this vulnerability.

-Ryan

On Jan 9, 2018, at 9:58 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca<mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

I'm wondering if products like CUCM v9 and UCCx v9 will be investigated/patched for vulnerabilities? Especially since they're bare metal compatible.

If Linux is affected, then wouldn't these be as well?

We're in the process of migrating but it would be good to know.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 9, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca<mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

To be honest, I'm a little worried about the rumoured slowdown the fixes are gonna have. Will this impact the supported status of certain CPUs in collab suite?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 9, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca<mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Good question. I’m not sure of the impact either. I _suspect_ that because ESXi abstracts the CPU that the intel CPU bug would affect ESXi only, not the underlying applications. Because you can’t run the software on baremetal any longer, there shouldn’t be a need to update the voice applications.

I’m also guessing that CIMC would likely need some updates too.

But yes, interesting to see how this plays out.

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Subject: [cisco-voip] Spectre and Meltdown remediation as relevant to Cisco systems

So I haven’t had much time to look into this, but has anyone else compiled a list of or needs for remediation for cisco systems for the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities?

I know the one only affects Intel and some ARM processors, whereas the other is more OS level, if I understand properly?

So being that all the cisco telephony products are on virtualized product now, I assume that we would go to VMWare for any patching relevant to those, but I would imagine that we would also need a security patch for the redhat/centos OS the Unified Communications products run on (and doubly so for those of us using old MCS physical chassis?)

It looks like routers and switches, as well as ASAs are all potentially vulnerable as well.

I’ve found the following articles on their website: https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/viewAlert.x?alertId=56354 and https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco-sa-20180104-cpusidechannel that details the issues a bit, but it looks like Cisco hasn’t found anything yet nor delivered any patches?

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