[cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5

[Anthony Holloway]

vmware ovatool is free, so is veeam backup, and then I think there are some
power shell command extensions which are free too.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 11:37 AM Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
wrote:

> Granted, I wouldn’t do a cp or scp unless in a maintenance window.  If you
> are just running a hypervisor, much like most of our install base uses,
> there are no tools to do this without spending money, at least that I’m
> aware of.
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2019, at 10:33 AM, Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But it says: " To prevent performance... related issues"  So, it's not
> just about "how" you want to do it, rather, you could impact the other
> running VMs (should there be any).  Also, in my experience, cp ans scp are
> very slow compared to tool meant for moving VMs around (E.g., Veeam
> Backup/Copy and VMware OVATool).  Anyway, I'm not saying that I know best,
> I'm just saying, that's what the vendor says.
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 11:02 AM Matthew Loraditch <
> MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes VMWare clone changes macs and such. Only move keeps them but in this
>> instance you actually don’t want them to change so CP would be the way to
>> do it to make sure they didn’t change so you can put them back.
>>
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>> *From:* cisco-voip <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net> *On Behalf Of *UC
>> Penguin
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 21, 2019 11:54 AM
>> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>> *Cc:* cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5
>>
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>> I’m curious why using cp would really matter besides the possibility of
>> duplicate MAC and UUIDs, which would be an issue if the vms were both
>> powered on at the same time.
>>
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>>
>> If you had shared storage and multiple hosts you could be running VMs on
>> different ESXi versions anyhow, without the copy step.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps this is just vmware CYA for duplicate MACs, UUIDs and guest
>> licensing? I’m guessing there copy steps change the uuid and macs?
>>
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>>
>> I’ve moved production UC apps with cp over SSH and had no issues. Not
>> saying that is going to be the case with every scenario, but so far so good
>> fwiw...
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 09:43, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Ya. Sorry. Didn’t explain I wanted interim local storage that I could
>> move.
>>
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>>
>> I’ll have to put more thought into it.
>>
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>> I might even consider a direct connected pc. Evaluate the time and effort
>> vs speed of export/import.
>>
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>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Never tried, probably so.  SFTP/scp over the network would be faster.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your original request was a local copy.
>>
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>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
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>> Can I copy this to USB? Would I have to somehow mount/format  the
>> portable file system?
>>
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>> I’m intrigued!
>>
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>> On Jan 20, 2019, at 11:38 PM, Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Shut the VM down, ssh or console in, copy the directory.  On Linux, it’s
>> cp -R dir/ new-dir/
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course, it’s easier to cd into the datastore
>>
>>
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>> Once it’s copied, go into the vsphere client, browse the datastore into
>> the new dir and import the vmx
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve done this to make backup copies in addition to DRS for an upgrade
>>
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2019, at 9:19 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes - I was quite surprised with the amount of time exporting/importing
>> requires. Especially because, as far as I know, there is no way to export
>> to a locally attached storage then pop that out/in and import. It has to be
>> done via vsphere client and pc. We ended up putting a laptop on the same
>> switch to speed things up a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> I really wish there was a quicker way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Note: were using local storage on all our be7h servers.
>>
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>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
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>> On Jan 20, 2019, at 9:03 PM, James Andrewartha <
>> jandrewartha at ccgs.wa.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>> For a major upgrade it seems pretty reasonable to me. I'd consider doing
>> it just for testing even if I upgraded the production servers directly
>> rather than shut them down and start up the upgraded ones. And if I was
>> going to do a parallel upgrade, I'd probably upgrade once to test, then
>> copy the production servers across again and do it for real. One thought
>> that comes to mind is how quickly you can copy back the VMs from AWS to
>> your production environment.
>>
>> "Everybody has a testing environment. Some people are lucky enough enough
>> to have a totally separate environment to run production in."
>> https://twitter.com/stahnma/status/634849376343429120
>>
>> On 21/01/19 09:52, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
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>>
>> Perhaps. But it’s an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> My preference would be to use on premise resources to create the offline
>> network. This part of the discussion was focused on how you could use VWC
>> on AWS to accomplish this if you didn’t have resources. The CSR would, if
>> it works, allow you to connect devices on prem to the offline servers to do
>> a more complete testing. But it’s not entirely necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s all what your more comfortable with, I guess. I’d rather double the
>> amount of prep time to complete the upgrades offline in order to reduce the
>> downtime to the production service. Especially when both CUCM and UCCX need
>> to be upgraded simultaneously due to version compatibility.
>>
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>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
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>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
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>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>> N1G 2W1
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>> On Jan 20, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Anthony Holloway <
>> avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does this sound a tad over engineered for an upgrade to anyone else, or
>> is it just me?
>>
>>
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>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:28 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
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>> That sounds like exactly what I want to do!
>>
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>> Thx!
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>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>
>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>
>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>> N1G 2W1
>>
>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | lelio at uoguelph.ca
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>> On Jan 19, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Dave Goodwin <dave.goodwin at december.net>
>> wrote:
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>> If you want to connect from the outside then rig up a virtual router such
>> as a CSR that conndects to both the private and elastic side, establish a
>> L2L VPN tunnel to the elastic IP, route the private IPs across the VPN.
>>
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>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 9:31 AM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
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>> Very interesting!
>>
>>
>>
>> Having private IPs on a secondary switch is great. But if I can’t
>> connect, then I can’t do full tests. We end up doing some mock migrations
>> and stuff. Also testing phones, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> But hey, still worth a shot!
>>
>> *-sent from mobile device-*
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>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>
>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>
>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>> N1G 2W1
>>
>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>
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>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Goodwin <dave.goodwin at december.net>
>> wrote:
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>> If you want to bring your own IPs to AWS instances instead of using their
>> Elastic IPs, you can do that now from what I understand:
>>
>>
>> https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2018/10/announcing-the-general-availability-of-bring-your-own-ip-for-amazon-virtual-private-cloud/
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>>
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>> I don’t know if that functionality is compatible with VMC-AWS or not.
>> Also, I’d think just like Charles suggested that you could use your own IPs
>> on a private vSwitch or VM network.
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:04 PM Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
>> wrote:
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>> Not sure, but let us know once you talk with your AWS / VMware sales
>> team.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you need one, let me know and I'll put you in touch :)
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:01 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if there are additional services you could subscribe to. Front
>> it with VPN/IP extension service so the vSwitch can be configured with any
>> VLAN that the extra layer offers.
>>
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>> ---
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>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>
>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>
>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>> N1G 2W1
>>
>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>
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>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
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>> *From:* Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 18, 2019 3:51 PM
>> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>> *Cc:* Matthew Collins <mcollins at block.co.uk>; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5
>>
>>
>>
>> From what I understand, you cannot extend your IP, it's IP's assigned
>> from AWS.  At least for public facing.  I'm assuming you can spin up
>> another vswitch on the vsphere side and have private IP's, just like we can
>> locally.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 2:48 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, in actuality, VMware on AWS seems like it will be the best
>> replacement for a physical stack of bare metal servers for temporary use.
>> As long as the IP address space was the same, you could simply shut them
>> down and export after the migration was complete.
>>
>>
>>
>> Side question…
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know how that works? Can you extend your IP address space into AWS
>> without much effort?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
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>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>
>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>
>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>> N1G 2W1
>>
>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>
>>
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>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
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>> *From:* Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 18, 2019 3:12 PM
>> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>> *Cc:* Matthew Collins <mcollins at block.co.uk>; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5
>>
>>
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>> If you are one of my customers, I can arrange that.  Do we have a web
>> page where you can just go sign up, no.  But there are services that let
>> you rent bare metal servers.
>>
>>
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>> VMware and AWS are teaming up to rent you vsphere on AWS bare metal.
>>
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>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>
>> This should be a signal to professional services orgs out there to rent
>> out UCS systems for offline upgrades. :)
>>
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>> *-sent from mobile device-*
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>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>
>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>
>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>> N1G 2W1
>>
>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>
>>
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>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
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>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:24 AM, Matthew Collins <mcollins at block.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Agree with Lelio but sometimes parallel upgrade are just not possible.
>>
>>
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>> I’ve done 3 x 10.5 to 11.6 direct upgrade recently any only had one issue
>> that wasn’t directly related to the upgrade. Other than that they have been
>> pretty smooth.
>>
>>
>>
>> In your pre-checks don’t just check DB replication but also CUC and UCCX
>> replication on the respective servers (utils uccx/cuc dbreplication
>> status). Plus check from the pub and sub as on a CUC upgrade recently it
>> kept failing, Turned out CUC replication wasn’t set up correctly. Ran the
>> command from the Pub and it stated everything was good, Ran from the Sub
>> said it was failed. Ended up re-building the CUC Sub. The issue came about
>> from a host name change years back and some of the tables where not updated
>> on the sub.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also double check the memory requirements. As 11.x requires 2 extra gig
>> most of the OVA’s.
>>
>>
>>
>> Upgrade timings going from 10.5 to 11.5/6
>>
>>
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>> Memory upgrade where completed prior to upgrades.
>>
>> CUCM Upgrade Pub 90 Mins 7.5k OVA
>> CUCM Upgrade Subs 60 Mins
>> IM&P Upgrade Pub 70 Mins 5K OVA
>> IM&P Upgrade Sub 50 Mins
>>
>> CUCM Switch Versions Pub 40 Mins
>> CUCM Switch Versions Subs 30 Mins
>> IM&P Switch Versions Pub 30 Mins
>> IM&P Switch Versions Sub 30 Mins
>>
>> UCCX Upgrade Pub 80 Mins – 300 Agent OVA
>> UCCX Upgrade Sub 60 Mins
>> UCCX Switch Versions Pub 45 Mins
>> UCCX Switch Versions Sub 30 Mins
>>
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>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Collins
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From:* cisco-voip <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net> *On Behalf Of *Lelio
>> Fulgenzi
>> *Sent:* 17 January 2019 16:37
>> *To:* SK <cciecollab2017 at gmail.com>; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I will say one thing, if you have the opportunity to duplicate the
>> environment in an off-line network and perform the upgrades there, then
>> your migration will basically be downtime involved with shutting down old
>> servers and turning up new servers. This is not trivial, by any stretch of
>> the imagination. However, once you put some thought into it, I think you’ll
>> find this method extremely valuable.
>>
>>
>>
>> You work out all the kinks in the offline network and repeat until you
>> are satisfied.
>>
>>
>>
>> You’ll need a couple of things to make this work, namely, a change freeze
>> window and the “pre 8.0” enterprise parameter.
>>
>>
>>
>> We’ve done this twice now and it’s worked like a charm.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would hate to do upgrades on live systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lelio
>>
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>>
>>
>> ---
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>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>
>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>
>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>> N1G 2W1
>>
>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>
>>
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>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
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>> *From:* cisco-voip <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net> *On Behalf Of *SK
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:48 AM
>> *To:* cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5
>>
>>
>>
>> We are planning upgrade for our CUCM - CUC -UCCX platform from 10.5 to
>> 11.5 soon  . UCCX will be on 11.6.2 mostly .
>>
>>
>>
>> I will appreciate any pointers on known bugs / challenges .
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you .
>>
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