[cisco-voip] CCX phone agent over MRA?

Mon Mar 23 16:57:01 EDT 2020

There's literally TAC engineers and other awesome people from Cisco
watching this list.  How about it?  Anyone willing to dig into this for
us.  The COVID thing is really pushing people to remote scenarios, and
having a single truth of the matter would be helpful.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 3:53 PM Wakelin, Frank <FWakelin at richmond.ca> wrote:

> I’m not really sure – I have my doubts as well.  They sited the lack of
> CTI-QBE support as to why the CCX servers could not use CTI to control the
> phones connected over MRA.  The more folks that tell me they had it working
> with CCX, the more I think they just latched on to the phrase in the
> feature configuration guide and went with that.  It certainly wouldn’t be
> the first time TAC has given me a pat answer and been unwilling to
> escalate/troubleshoot with me. L
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> *From:* Aman Chugh <aman.chugh at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* March 23, 2020 1:43 PM
> *To:* Wakelin, Frank <FWakelin at richmond.ca>
> *Cc:* voyp list, cisco-voip (cisco-voip at puck.nether.net) <
> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CCX phone agent over MRA?
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> Just curious as to what makes it unsupported with 11.5 or what is added in
> 12 which makes it supported.
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> Does SIP phone doing MRA require support for certain sip headers which are
> only supported with CSR 12 or later.
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> I did have it working with CUCM 10.5 , UCCE 11.6 and Expressway 8.11.2
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> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:32 PM Wakelin, Frank <FWakelin at richmond.ca>
> wrote:
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> Thanks all – I did get confirmation from TAC that this is not supported –
> at least not with 11.5.  Not sure I’m ready to upgrade everything to 12.x
> at the moment to test but will eat-mark it for later this year.
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> Frank Wakelin – Senior Network Analyst
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> Information Technology | City of Richmond
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> Office +16042764190
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> Mobile +17788394693
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> *From:* Anthony Holloway <avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* March 23, 2020 11:05 AM
> *To:* James B <james.buchanan2 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Wakelin, Frank <FWakelin at richmond.ca>; voyp list, cisco-voip (
> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net) <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> *Subject:* Re: Re: [cisco-voip] CCX phone agent over MRA?
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> No, I wouldn't think it has anything to do with finesse.  Again the user
> had direct access to Finesse, no VPN or Internet exposure, just simply the
> user was on the network with the PC while the phone was on a public
> internet circuit.  I'd guess it has worked in previous versions, as it's
> been in the UCCX SRND for a while now, but perhaps there's some issues with
> it.  I just wanted to add a story of success to this otherwise long thread
> of failures.
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> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 12:46 PM James B <james.buchanan2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Hi Anthony,
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> Do you attribute that to the change in web connectivity for Finesse with
> 12.x?
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> James
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> *From: *Anthony Holloway <avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *23 March 2020 17:44
> *To: *Wakelin, Frank <FWakelin at richmond.ca>
> *Cc: *voyp list, cisco-voip (cisco-voip at puck.nether.net)
> <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [cisco-voip] CCX phone agent over MRA?
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> For whatever it's worth, I just upgraded a customer from CSR 11 to CSR
> 12.5 (including UCCX), and testing of an Agent phone registered over MRA
> with the Finesse client directly accessing Finesse server worked.  Clicking
> call control buttons in Finesse was successful in controlling the phone.
> So, while the documentation and field experiences maybe fuzzy, here's one
> empirical case of evidence that it does work on the latest versions.
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> Frank, what did TAC respond to you with?
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> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:07 PM Wakelin, Frank <FWakelin at richmond.ca>
> wrote:
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> Thanks for the reply.    Finesse is using VPN, but the physical desk phone
> is not – it is connected via MRA.  Standard inbound/outbound calling to the
> phone itself works flawlessly over MRA.  What isn’t working are CCX calls
> to the agent phone; CCX uses CTI to control/monitor the desk phone.
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> I did read the CCX/expressway design guide which generally states that CCX
> over MRA is supported, but features that rely on CTI-QBE are not.  The
> documentation isn’t clear as to what CCX features rely on that.  It does
> say CCX is supported however and in my mind the base feature required in
> order to say that “CCX is supported” would be routing calls to agents.
> I’ve asked TAC to confirm what CCX features/functions are
> available/supported and which are not?
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> This is not critical as we do have the ability to use Jabber softphones
> via VPN, but we do wish to use 8800 series phones connected via MRA if
> possible.
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> Information Technology | City of Richmond
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> *From:* Aman Chugh <aman.chugh at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* March 17, 2020 7:45 PM
> *To:* Wakelin, Frank <FWakelin at richmond.ca>
> *Cc:* Erick Bergquist <erickbee at gmail.com>; Lelio Fulgenzi <
> lelio at uoguelph.ca>; voyp list, cisco-voip (cisco-voip at puck.nether.net) <
> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CCX phone agent over MRA?
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> It should work if CTI from Finesse is using VPN.
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> Are you able to make inbound and outbound call to the MRA phone without
> Finesse.
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> For the inbound call Cucm sends an invite over to Expressway C with which
> the mra phone is registered. I would pull CUCM and CTI trace for the
> inbound call.
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> Aman
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> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 3:04 PM Wakelin, Frank <FWakelin at richmond.ca>
> wrote:
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> Did anyone get this to work?  I'm currently testing with a remote 88xx
> phone registered via MRA.  Finesse is logged in on PC connected over VPN.
> Finesse desktop works fine, but once agent goes ready, the call is never
> presented to the phone; the agent immediately goes from reserved to not
> ready again.
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> I use Jabber as a softphone on the laptop the call is presented no
> problem.  Any ideas?
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> Information Technology | City of Richmond
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-voip <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net> On Behalf Of Erick
> Bergquist
> Sent: January 30, 2020 10:44 AM
> To: Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> Cc: voyp list, cisco-voip (cisco-voip at puck.nether.net) <
> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCX phone agent over MRA?
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> Has anyone done a Agent with a hard phone over MRA (8865)?   Finding
> the documents don't really come out and say if it is supported or not.
> See the notes about expressway versions and that is about it.
>
> How about extension mobility login on MRA hard phone for agent use?
>
> Erick
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> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> >
> > p.s. I just caught that bug description and your comment. Omg.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Anthony Holloway <avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:30 PM
> > To: Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> > Cc: voyp list, cisco-voip (cisco-voip at puck.nether.net) <
> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCX phone agent over MRA?
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> >
> > Are you talking Finesse IP Phone Agent (FIPPA)?
> >
> >
> >
> > If so, the below enhancement defect requesting that these types of
> details be documented (I mean should we even have to request that?) states
> that they tested FIPPA via MRA and it worked.
> >
> >
> >
> > https://bst.cloudapps.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCvi51697
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> >
> > Just know that you'll have to add your UCCX server addresses to the HTTP
> Allow list on Expressway-C.
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> > And this makes sense to me, since FIPPA is stateless and all needed
> information is included in the URL to perform the actions like Login,
> Logout, Reason Codes, Ready, Not Ready, etc.   The actual ringing of the
> phone and answering etc., are just phone functions, which we know works
> over MRA.  That's kind of the point.  ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > What I am not sure of is whether the FIPPA push to phone works, if
> you're even using that; wherein, upon a new call, UCCX attempts to push
> content to the Agent's phone using the Phone API, but I would think, though
> I cannot confirm, that this would fail, since the phone IP is actually like
> 192.168.1.1 or something, and UCCX wont know to contact Expressway-C about
> it, nor would Expressway-C forward the API call on to the phone, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Finesse itself, the web app on port 8445, would not be available over
> MRA, as the document states, and would require a VPN or other networking
> solution to be available to the Agent.  Brian Meade commented on a previous
> conversation to a similar topic that a reverse proxy would help in this
> scenario.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:07 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> wrote:
> >
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> > Can anyone say whether or not a CCX phone agent (or finesse agent in the
> future) is supported over MRA?
> >
> > The MRA guides say:
> >
> > The Expressway does not support some Cisco Unified Contact Center
> Express (Unified CCX) features for contact center agents or other users who
> connect over MRA. Jabber for Mac and Jabber for Windows cannot provide
> deskphone control over MRA, because the Expressway pair does not traverse
> the CTI-QBE protocol. However, if these Jabber applications, or other CTI
> applications, can connect to Unified CM CTIManager (directly or through the
> VPN) they can provide deskphone control of MRA-connected clients.
> >
> > We're looking at a simple phone agent setup, no desktop agent/control,
> etc.
> >
> > Thoughts?
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