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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=546291805-15092004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The business is very keen to have a single repository for
user information and it was seen as one of the benefits of IP Telephony and
Cisco in particular that they could use standard AD and SQL for almost all
reporting and user info storage.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=546291805-15092004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>As far as deployments go we are cutting over an older
Alcatel PABX to the Cisco IP Telephony at one remote site with the Call Managers
in at the central data centres.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=546291805-15092004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This means that we need to do the whole site and that site
is not due for migration to 2003 until Q2 2005 and the IP Telephony is due Q4
2004. So no luck there hence asking how it would be best to deploy so that we
can migrate to use native mode Exchange 2003 and AD later
on.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=546291805-15092004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Just so as I can stress the importance of change management
for AD to our systems guys, do you have an example or two of what changes broke
your current IP Telephony installation?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=546291805-15092004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Darren</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Voll, Scott [mailto:Scott.Voll@wesd.org]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:15 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Darren
Ward; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [cisco-voip] New
Deployment - AD not ready so?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Darren—</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I just got into Cisco
IPT last year with a ICS 7750 running CM 3.3.4, Unity 4.0.2 and then bought a
7825 and IPCC Express 3.1.2. We are in the process of migrating off the
ICS to 7835’s. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just a head’s up on
integration with AD. We integrated with AD 2000 and just know if you make
a lot of AD changes, expect things to break in your IPT network. When AD
and IPT work, everything is great, but as soon as your SysAdmin changes your AD
policy, kiss your IPT good bye. I’ve spent many mornings on the phone with
TAC to find out the night before someone screwed with AD.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">With all that said.
CM and IPCC is a simple plug-in to integrate with AD. Make sure you
keep them in there own workgroup. Unity you can install with Exchange 5.5
and then upgrade to 2003. AD Prep is required to get this working.
Exchange 2003 needs to run on a Win2k3 box but you can run in AD2k mixed
mode.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My suggestion, use the
CM directory and forget AD. But if you want the AD integration, I believe you
can run the AD plugin at any time down the road. And if you can, wait to
install Unity until you have an Exchange 2k3 box. It will just make your
life a whole lot easier. Can you get the Exchange 2k3 box up and as you
bring people onto IPT migrate there mail box store? How are you
implementing IPT? Department by department, or all at once? Do you
control the AD domain and the IPT network? Or someone else is in charge of
the AD network?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Scott</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Darren
Ward [mailto:dward@pla.net.au] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:32
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [cisco-voip] New Deployment - AD
not ready so?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi All,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We're about to deploy the core of a
new IP Telephony network using CCM 4, Unity 4 and IPCC Express Standard
3.5</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Unfortunately Active Directory has
only been deployed for server registrations and users are still in the old NTLM
based NT4 domain with full trust priveleges between the two and the users are
still using Exchange 5.5, but we'll be moving them to AD on 2003 and Exchange
2003 over the next 12 months. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This does mean that the CCM, IPCCE
and Unity servers can be on the new AD domain and I'm thinking this is the best
thing to do since Unity especially wants to modify the tree to add the Cisco
subtree for service location etc</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Unity storage is another issue, I'm
thinking maybe it's best to use local storage for VM and use Exchange 2003 later
but can't find any information on how to migrate this way or if I use Exchange
5.5 then upgrade to 2003 what will be the impact on Unity? And it's AD prep
requirements?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">User authentication/LDAP is the
other issue as I think we'd have to use the internal CCM4 directory with
external authentication and then migrate to use Active Directory later but I'm
not sure if this is advisable or what the best option
is.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What would people recommend for this
type of deployment?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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