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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=202424519-24012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#008000 size=4>Ditto, cept we go for 90 days...(Far too many of us
remember NT4.0 Sp6 (and then 6a :) )</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Lelio
Fulgenzi<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 24, 2005 2:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Simon
Hamilton-Wilkes; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cisco-voip]
Advice on CCM3 to CCM4 Migration please<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>We have an unwritten rule that we won't run/install anything
unless it's been out for 30 days. Far too many last minute software pulls and
service releases.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=simon@jettis.com href="mailto:simon@jettis.com">Simon
Hamilton-Wilkes</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 24, 2005 1:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [cisco-voip] Advice on CCM3
to CCM4 Migration please</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=944302418-24012005>While we're on this topic, I notice 3.3.5 has been
posted. Does this affect CCM 4.1 migration in any
way?</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</A>
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Lelio
Fulgenzi<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 24, 2005 10:08 AM<BR><B>To:</B> chris
donnelly; <A
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [cisco-voip] Advice on CCM3 to CCM4 Migration please<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>It is my hope that I will be able to do something similar
when testing out new versions of Call Manager, basically mimicing all route
patterns etc on the new server and have a few phones testing things live and
interacting with the production service.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>However, I think it's quite an ordeal to migrate things
piece meal. Test as much as you can, then upgrade the cluster. Be sure to have
plenty of outs, i.e. backup and mirrored disks. We have new hardware and
will be building the new publisher exactly as you mentioned. If you don't have
new hardware, you should be able to take your publisher off-line during the
upgrade and then plug it back in when you are done. Obviously database changes
can't happen during that time and will affect things like call
forwarding.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I think we have to begin letting our clients know that we
<EM>have</EM> to upgrade and there will be changes seen. Many we will be able
to document, but many may slip by our fingers because of lack of change
documentation (sorry Cisco).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>For your notes, you will have to do a two stage upgrade,
from 3.3(3) -> 3.3(4) or 4.0(x) -> 4.1(2). We are choosing to go to
3.3(4) as our interim step.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=c.donnelly@skynetsystems.co.uk
href="mailto:c.donnelly@skynetsystems.co.uk">chris donnelly</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 24, 2005 4:57
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [cisco-voip] Advice on CCM3 to
CCM4 Migration please</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=content1><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Hi, </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><BR><SPAN
class=content1><FONT face=Arial color=black>Hopefully one of you guys have
been through this and can recommend the most painless way forward....
</FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=content1><FONT face=Arial color=black>We
have a customer who currently has an old 3.3.3 CCM Cluster with about 2000
phones hanging of it. </FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=content1><FONT
face=Arial color=black>They need to go to CCM 4.x and want to prove the
environment / product first by staging the new CCM 4 and then gradually
moving users from the old cluster to the new cluster. The downside of this
is that it is not a straightforward upgrade / replacement as the two
clusters will live side by side for a while. </FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
class=content1><FONT face=Arial color=black>I have no problem with this
apart from the sheer numbers involved. My initial thought was to use the BAT
tool to import all data from the production cluster to the CCM4 cluster -
but that still leaves me loads of stuff to cross-pollinate i.e. Route
patterns, partitions etc...etc... </FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
class=content1><FONT face=Arial color=black>My second thought is to build
the CCM4 cluster from the Upgrade 'Replace Server' option whilst building
-but that forces me to use the old CCM3's machine name etc so the two
clusters cannot live side by side....unless there is a way to build the CCM
cluster by the 'Upgrade Replace Server' option and then rename the machine
name and change IP addresses etc... </FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
class=content1><FONT face=Arial color=black>BTW I know everyone says that
you cannot change machine names because of SQL (but has anyone actually
tried this?) - there are snippets of info available on the web detailing how
to change SQL machine names. </FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN
class=content1><FONT face=Arial color=black>Any advice gratefully received.
</FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=content1><FONT face=Arial
color=black>Chris</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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