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<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not sure what stuff is NDA anymore, but I've seen plenty
of slides and none of them mention 6.0. It was my understanding that the 5.0
would be appliance based and that they would deliver a windows equivelant with
5.x which would also have the feature equality of 4.2. So, basically what Scott
said below.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Lelio
Fulgenzi, B.A.<BR>Network Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario
N1G 2W1<BR>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX
(JNHN)<BR>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rleetun@co.boulder.co.us
href="mailto:rleetun@co.boulder.co.us">Leetun, Rob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Scott.Voll@wesd.org
href="mailto:Scott.Voll@wesd.org">Voll, Scott</A> ; <A title=lelio@uoguelph.ca
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">Lelio Fulgenzi</A> ; <A
title=candace_holman@harvard.edu
href="mailto:candace_holman@harvard.edu">candace_holman@harvard.edu</A> ; <A
title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:39
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by
choices - old or newsolutions?Simply speaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=144213817-13042006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Our Cisco Vendor is stating that CCM 4.0 train will
change to the 6.0 (win) train in the future. Anyone heard
this?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</A>
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Voll,
Scott<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Lelio
Fulgenzi; <A
href="mailto:candace_holman@harvard.edu">candace_holman@harvard.edu</A>; <A
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or newsolutions?Simply speaking:
CM5.0 or CM4.x<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>Once again to
echo:<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
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size=2><o:p> </o:p></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>4.1 ---- features ------
5.0<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>4.2 -----features -----
5.1<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
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size=2><o:p> </o:p></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>I think I heard 5.1 is
slated for end of this year, (But it’s Cisco, so probably beginning of
2007)<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
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size=2><o:p> </o:p></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>I will be waiting for
5.2 personally, but am really looking forward to the patching / upgrade
process of the 5.x train with active and standby
partitions.<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
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size=2><o:p> </o:p></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2>Scott<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><o:p> </o:p></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>PS. The last “dot
oh” upgrade I did, took 23 hours, 3 tac engineers and 6-7
developers.<o:p></o:p></FONT></P>
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size=2><o:p> </o:p></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>From:</FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Lelio
Fulgenzi<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">candace_holman@harvard.edu</st1:PersonName>;
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by
choices - old or new solutions?Simply speaking: CM5.0 or
CM4.x</FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Agreed on those points.
Sticking with 4.1(3) should provide an easier feature upgrade to 5.0. But from
what I hear, the 4.2 features will be available in 5.1 and that was slated for
release in 2007 or something like that. But you are right....I would use
several years as a guide line. 2 to 3 years.</FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>It comes down
to:</FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<LI class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>feature availability
(SIP, etc)</FONT><o:p></o:p>
<LI class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>upgrade issues
(current features not supported in future version target)</FONT><o:p></o:p>
<LI class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>bleeding edge factor
-or- the "dot oh" syndrome</FONT><o:p></o:p>
<LI class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>support issues (how
much experience does the TAC have)</FONT><o:p></o:p>
<LI class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>stability (are there
all the patches you want in there)</FONT><o:p></o:p> </LI></UL>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>and I would also add,
product availability. It's probably alot easier to get 4.1(3) install media
than it would be 4.2 or 5.0.</FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Lelio
Fulgenzi, B.A.<BR>Network Analyst (CCS) * <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Guelph</st1:PlaceName> * <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Guelph</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Ontario</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">N1G 2W1</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><BR>(519)
824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX
(JNHN)<BR>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<BR>Sanity First : Number of days with fewer than<BR>50 messages in my inbox
at the end of the day: buffer overrun<o:p></o:p></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2>From:</FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2> <A href="mailto:candace_holman@harvard.edu">Candace
Holman</A> <o:p></o:p></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2>To:</FONT></B><FONT face=Arial
size=2> <A
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A>
<o:p></o:p></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent:</FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2> Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:11
PM<o:p></o:p></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject:</FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2> Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or new
solutions? Simply speaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x<o:p></o:p></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>To some extent I
agree with Lelio and Scott, but it may be worth it to <BR>you to consider
some other points:<BR><BR> * 4.x will not have SIP lines
for several years at best<BR> * 5.x has the option for SIP
and SCCP<BR> * it could be difficult to upgrade 4.2 ->
5.x because some of the<BR> user features in
4.2 are not duplicated in 5.x for several
years<BR> at best<BR> * 5.x
is a RH Linux train, 4.2 is windows so your considerations
for<BR> hardware, organizational policies or
tech philosophies,<BR> engineering skillset,
etc _may_ be different<BR><BR>Candace<BR><BR>> Subject:<BR>>
[cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or new solutions? Simply <BR>>
speaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x<BR>> From:<BR>> Netfortius <<A
href="mailto:netfortius@gmail.com">netfortius@gmail.com</A>><BR>>
Date:<BR>> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:33:58 -0500<BR>><BR>> To:<BR>> <A
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A><BR>><BR>><BR>>
You may have already gotten used to my last string of questions here, which
- <BR>> I am not hiding it - are part of my attempt to gain info from the
more <BR>> experienced people, on this subject, regarding a project I am
working on for <BR>> deployment of multi-site IPT & VoIP. I have gone
into some details, for some <BR>> questions I had, but now - reading tons
of material every day, I have become <BR>> very worried about the full
blown solution chosen, vs. what is being promised <BR>> just "around the
corner". Here is where I would appreciate any comments, of <BR>> any
nature, thoughts, experience, "what-if" - anything you can share about
<BR>> this subject:<BR>><BR>> Scenario: multi-site deployment of
Cisco CM, with the following objectives in <BR>> mind:<BR>><BR>> 1.
Replacement of existing old telephony solution, Nortel-based, consisting of
<BR>> PBX in each location, with Cisco-based IP-based communication
systems (and <BR>> not only one-to-one replacement of phones, but also
steps toward unified <BR>> communications)<BR>><BR>> 2.
Installation of Cisco solution consisting of:<BR>> a. CM 4.x (advised by
Cisco) at the HQ + Unity integrated with Exchange 2003 <BR>> and a
handful of IP phones (major testers of the technology) and integration
<BR>> with existing Nortel PBX at the HQ (PHASE 1)<BR>> b. IP phones
in the remote location (complete replacement of everything old, <BR>>
including PBX) + SRST + standalone (storage-wise) Unity (PHASE 1)<BR>> c.
Unified messaging at the HQ, in the "pilot" group, to the best of the
<BR>> abilities and availability of products around CM 4.x (e.g. PA,
among others, <BR>> as an example of what I am getting at) (PHASE
1)<BR>> d. Experience from c> ==> full implementation of unified
messaging at the <BR>> first remote ("upgrade" of the standalone Unity
into an Exchange-tied one - <BR>> is this even possible?!?) (PHASE
2)<BR>> e. remote site used as template fro all other sites (PHASE
2)<BR>> f. full upgrade at the HQ (PHASE 2), with the exception of
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Call</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><BR>> g. Cisco
IPCC replacement of the existing <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Nortel</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Call</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, after the <BR>> entire VoIP
and IPT has proven reliable to sustain a Customer Service (PHASE <BR>>
3)<BR>><BR>> 3. The unified communications (including messaging) will
eventually adddress <BR>> various business needs, primarily focused on
mobility and real-time <BR>> communications and sharing<BR>><BR>>
Having said all of the above, here are the issues I am struggling
with:<BR>><BR>> - I have (and nobody in my network geeks group) no
real experience with Cisco <BR>> VoIP/IPT;<BR>> - the suggested
solution, from Cisco, revolves around a CM 4.2 and, gradually, <BR>> as
explained above, updates to the point of full unified messaging - still
<BR>> 4.2-based<BR>> - I am getting conflicting messages from our
Cisco group - they advise us to <BR>> do the install with CM 4.2 (which
would end up as a cluster of multiple <BR>> servers, at the HQ), not CM
5.0, but:<BR>> - I am reading and reading, and it appears to me that some
features associated <BR>> with CM 4.2 are dying (e.g. PA), while CM 5.0
seems to open the door for much <BR>> more, but not everything backward
compatible with 4.x<BR>> - tons of features are being advertised as
related to CM 5.0, only, but are <BR>> not ready yet, and are to be
released this year (majority in second quarter)<BR>><BR>> Bottom line
- I am struggling with one major question (with no easy answer - <BR>>
thus appreciating any comments this list may have): should I move ahead as
<BR>> started, with the one site + pilot HQ, on CM 4.2 (PHASE 1), then go
over all <BR>> phases, then analyze what would need to be upgraded to a
5.0 environment, if <BR>> certain additional features would become
available and needed, and not <BR>> backward compatible<BR>>
OR<BR>> should I just put a stop to the CM 4.x analysis and planning, and
redo <BR>> everything (with the delay caused by various products
availability) around CM <BR>> 5.0?<BR>><BR>> As I said - any
$0.02-$64K comments will be really appreciated. I will try to <BR>>
consolidate this type of info, in something useful, if enough data warrants
<BR>> it.<BR>><BR>> Thanks,<BR>>
Stefan<BR>><BR>>
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