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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I will echo Lelio.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Go with CM 4.2. I don’t know if CM
5.0 even has a IPCCx version yet. 4.x is very stable and works very well. I
tend to be a little too bleeding edge and I would not start with 5.0 unless you
have to. I really like the upgrade/patch process of 5.0 but I don’t
think it’s worth the TAC calls just for that or SIP. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>IMHO go with 4.x and upgrade in a year or
so to 5.x after they have had enough time to test it out in the real world.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Scott<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 13, 2006
8:38 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">netfortius@gmail.com</st1:PersonName>;
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] Torn
apart by choices - old or new solutions?Simplyspeaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Personally speaking, I'd go with 4.2. 4.x is a more mature product than
5.0 and I'd never install a "dot oh" of anything. 4.2 has a very
large feature set (more than 5.0) so you have to weigh what you would be losing
if you don't go with 5.0. SIP is a big one for sure. Appliance model is
another. There may be others. The biggest thing you want to look out for when
migrating is not so much new features but existing feature replacement and of
course stability. I think you would get that with 4.2, not sure about 5.0. Look
at upgrading in two years to 5.1 or 5.2 when you're not the guinea pig.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
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(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <br>
Sanity First : Number of days with fewer than<br>
50 messages in my inbox at the end of the day: buffer overrun<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:netfortius@gmail.com" title="netfortius@gmail.com">Netfortius</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, April
13, 2006 11:33 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [cisco-voip] Torn
apart by choices - old or new solutions? Simplyspeaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You may have already gotten used to my last string of questions here,
which - <br>
I am not hiding it - are part of my attempt to gain info from the more <br>
experienced people, on this subject, regarding a project I am working on for <br>
deployment of multi-site IPT & VoIP. I have gone into some details, for
some <br>
questions I had, but now - reading tons of material every day, I have become <br>
very worried about the full blown solution chosen, vs. what is being promised <br>
just "around the corner". Here is where I would appreciate any
comments, of <br>
any nature, thoughts, experience, "what-if" - anything you can share
about <br>
this subject:<br>
<br>
Scenario: multi-site deployment of Cisco CM, with the following objectives in <br>
mind:<br>
<br>
1. Replacement of existing old telephony solution, Nortel-based, consisting of <br>
PBX in each location, with Cisco-based IP-based communication systems (and <br>
not only one-to-one replacement of phones, but also steps toward unified <br>
communications)<br>
<br>
2. Installation of Cisco solution consisting of:<br>
a. CM 4.x (advised by Cisco) at the HQ + Unity integrated with Exchange 2003 <br>
and a handful of IP phones (major testers of the technology) and integration <br>
with existing Nortel PBX at the HQ (PHASE 1)<br>
b. IP phones in the remote location (complete replacement of everything old, <br>
including PBX) + SRST + standalone (storage-wise) Unity (PHASE 1)<br>
c. Unified messaging at the HQ, in the "pilot" group, to the best of
the <br>
abilities and availability of products around CM 4.x (e.g. PA, among others, <br>
as an example of what I am getting at) (PHASE 1)<br>
d. Experience from c> ==> full implementation of unified messaging at the
<br>
first remote ("upgrade" of the standalone Unity into an Exchange-tied
one - <br>
is this even possible?!?) (PHASE 2)<br>
e. remote site used as template fro all other sites (PHASE 2)<br>
f. full upgrade at the HQ (PHASE 2), with the exception of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Call</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
g. Cisco IPCC replacement of the existing <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Nortel</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Call</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, after the <br>
entire VoIP and IPT has proven reliable to sustain a Customer Service (PHASE <br>
3)<br>
<br>
3. The unified communications (including messaging) will eventually adddress <br>
various business needs, primarily focused on mobility and real-time <br>
communications and sharing<br>
<br>
Having said all of the above, here are the issues I am struggling with:<br>
<br>
- I have (and nobody in my network geeks group) no real experience with Cisco <br>
VoIP/IPT;<br>
- the suggested solution, from Cisco, revolves around a CM 4.2 and, gradually, <br>
as explained above, updates to the point of full unified messaging - still <br>
4.2-based<br>
- I am getting conflicting messages from our Cisco group - they advise us to <br>
do the install with CM 4.2 (which would end up as a cluster of multiple <br>
servers, at the HQ), not CM 5.0, but:<br>
- I am reading and reading, and it appears to me that some features associated <br>
with CM 4.2 are dying (e.g. PA), while CM 5.0 seems to open the door for much <br>
more, but not everything backward compatible with 4.x<br>
- tons of features are being advertised as related to CM 5.0, only, but are <br>
not ready yet, and are to be released this year (majority in second quarter)<br>
<br>
Bottom line - I am struggling with one major question (with no easy answer - <br>
thus appreciating any comments this list may have): should I move ahead as <br>
started, with the one site + pilot HQ, on CM 4.2 (PHASE 1), then go over all <br>
phases, then analyze what would need to be upgraded to a 5.0 environment, if <br>
certain additional features would become available and needed, and not <br>
backward compatible<br>
OR<br>
should I just put a stop to the CM 4.x analysis and planning, and redo <br>
everything (with the delay caused by various products availability) around CM <br>
5.0?<br>
<br>
As I said - any $0.02-$64K comments will be really appreciated. I will try to <br>
consolidate this type of info, in something useful, if enough data warrants <br>
it.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Stefan<br>
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