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<DIV><FONT size=2>cool. must be recently posted. ;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Lelio 
Fulgenzi, B.A.<BR>Network Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario 
N1G 2W1<BR>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX 
(JNHN)<BR>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
<BR>Sanity First : Number of days with fewer than<BR>50 messages in my inbox at 
the end of the day:&nbsp;&nbsp; buffer overrun</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=kthorngr@cisco.com href="mailto:kthorngr@cisco.com">Kevin 
  Thorngren</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lelio@uoguelph.ca 
  href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">Lelio Fulgenzi</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=Scott.Voll@wesd.org 
  href="mailto:Scott.Voll@wesd.org">Voll, Scott</A> ; <A 
  title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net 
  href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A> ; <A 
  title=netfortius@gmail.com 
  href="mailto:netfortius@gmail.com">netfortius@gmail.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:12 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by 
  choices - old or new solutions?Simplyspeaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>FYI - CallManager 5.0 SRND:<BR><A 
  href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps556/products_implementation_design_guide_book09186a00806492bb.html">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps556/products_implementation_design_guide_book09186a00806492bb.html</A><BR><BR>Kevin<BR>On 
  Apr 13, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:<BR><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE><BR><?smaller>That, and you have a great SRND for v4.x but not 
    sure if there is one for 
    5.0.<?/smaller><BR>&nbsp;<BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Lelio 
    Fulgenzi, B.A.<BR>Network Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, 
    Ontario N1G 2W1<BR>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX 
    (JNHN)<BR>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<BR>Sanity 
    First : Number of days with fewer than<BR>50 messages in my inbox at the end 
    of the day:&nbsp;&nbsp; buffer overrun<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original 
      Message -----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Voll, Scott<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Lelio 
      Fulgenzi<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> ; <?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>netfortius@gmail.com<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> 
      ; 
      <?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
      Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:54 AM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
      RE: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or new 
      solutions?Simplyspeaking: CM5.0 or 
      CM4.x<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>I 
      will echo Lelio.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>&nbsp;<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>Go 
      with CM 4.2.&nbsp; I don’t know if CM 5.0 even has a IPCCx version 
      yet.&nbsp; 4.x is very stable and works very well.&nbsp; I tend to be a 
      little too bleeding edge and I would not start with 5.0 unless you have 
      to.&nbsp; I really like the upgrade/patch process of 5.0 but I don’t think 
      it’s worth the TAC calls just for that or SIP.&nbsp;<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>&nbsp;<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>IMHO 
      go with 4.x and upgrade in a year or so to 5.x after they have had enough 
      time to test it out in the real world.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>&nbsp;<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>Scott<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>&nbsp;<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger> 
      cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net 
      [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of <?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>Lelio Fulgenzi<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger> 
      Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:38 AM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger> 
      netfortius@gmail.com; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger> 
      Re: [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or new 
      solutions?Simplyspeaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>&nbsp;<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?x-tad-bigger>Personally 
      speaking, I'd go with 4.2. 4.x is a more mature product than 5.0 and I'd 
      never install a "dot oh" of anything. 4.2 has a very large feature set 
      (more than 5.0) so you have to weigh what you would be losing if you don't 
      go with 5.0. SIP is a big one for sure. Appliance model is another. There 
      may be others. The biggest thing you want to look out for when migrating 
      is not so much new features but existing feature replacement and of course 
      stability. I think you would get that with 4.2, not sure about 5.0. Look 
      at upgrading in two years to 5.1 or 5.2 when you're not the guinea pig.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>&nbsp;<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Lelio 
      Fulgenzi, B.A.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Network 
      Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>(519) 
      824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Sanity 
      First : Number of days with fewer 
      than<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>50 
      messages in my inbox at the end of the day:&nbsp;&nbsp; buffer overrun<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original 
        Message -----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Netfortius<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
        Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:33 AM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
        [cisco-voip] Torn apart by choices - old or new solutions? 
        Simplyspeaking: CM5.0 or CM4.x<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>&nbsp;<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>You 
        may have already gotten used to my last string of questions here, which 
        - <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>I 
        am not hiding it - are part of my attempt to gain info from the more <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>experienced 
        people, on this subject, regarding a project I am working on for <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>deployment 
        of multi-site IPT &amp; VoIP. I have gone into some details, for some <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>questions 
        I had, but now - reading tons of material every day, I have become<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>very 
        worried about the full blown solution chosen, vs. what is being promised<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>just 
        "around the corner". Here is where I would appreciate any comments, of <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>any 
        nature, thoughts, experience, "what-if" - anything you can share about <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>this 
        subject:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Scenario: 
        multi-site deployment of Cisco CM, with the following objectives in <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>mind:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>1. 
        Replacement of existing old telephony solution, Nortel-based, consisting 
        of <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>PBX 
        in each location, with Cisco-based IP-based communication systems (and <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>not 
        only one-to-one replacement of phones, but also steps toward unified<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>communications)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>2. 
        Installation of Cisco solution consisting of:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>a. 
        CM 4.x (advised by Cisco) at the HQ + Unity integrated with Exchange 
        2003 <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>and 
        a handful of IP phones (major testers of the technology) and integration<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>with 
        existing Nortel PBX at the HQ (PHASE 1)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>b. 
        IP phones in the remote location (complete replacement of everything 
        old, <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>including 
        PBX) + SRST + standalone (storage-wise) Unity (PHASE 1)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>c. 
        Unified messaging at the HQ, in the "pilot" group, to the best of the <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>abilities 
        and availability of products around CM 4.x (e.g. PA, among others,<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>as 
        an example of what I am getting at) (PHASE 1)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>d. 
        Experience from c&gt; ==&gt; full implementation of unified messaging at 
        the <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>first 
        remote ("upgrade" of the standalone Unity into an Exchange-tied one - <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>is 
        this even possible?!?) (PHASE 2)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>e. 
        remote site used as template fro all other sites (PHASE 2)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>f. 
        full upgrade at the HQ (PHASE 2), with the exception of Call Center<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>g. 
        Cisco IPCC replacement of the existing Nortel Call Center, after the <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>entire 
        VoIP and IPT has proven reliable to sustain a Customer Service (PHASE<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>3)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>3. 
        The unified communications (including messaging) will eventually 
adddress<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>various 
        business needs, primarily focused on mobility and real-time <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>communications 
        and sharing<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Having 
        said all of the above, here are the issues I am struggling with:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>- 
        I have (and nobody in my network geeks group) no real experience with 
        Cisco <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>VoIP/IPT;<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>- 
        the suggested solution, from Cisco, revolves around a CM 4.2 and, 
        gradually,<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>as 
        explained above, updates to the point of full unified messaging - still <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>4.2-based<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>- 
        I am getting conflicting messages from our Cisco group - they advise us 
        to <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>do 
        the install with CM 4.2 (which would end up as a cluster of multiple<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>servers, 
        at the HQ), not CM 5.0, but:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>- 
        I am reading and reading, and it appears to me that some features 
        associated<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>with 
        CM 4.2 are dying (e.g. PA), while CM 5.0 seems to open the door for much 
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>more, 
        but not everything backward compatible with 4.x<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>- 
        tons of features are being advertised as related to CM 5.0, only, but 
are<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>not 
        ready yet, and are to be released this year (majority in second quarter)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Bottom 
        line - I am struggling with one major question (with no easy answer - <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>thus 
        appreciating any comments this list may have): should I move ahead as <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>started, 
        with the one site + pilot HQ, on CM 4.2 (PHASE 1), then go over all <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>phases, 
        then analyze what would need to be upgraded to a 5.0 environment, if <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>certain 
        additional features would become available and needed, and not <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>backward 
        compatible<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>OR<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>should 
        I just put a stop to the CM 4.x analysis and planning, and redo <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>everything 
        (with the delay caused by various products availability) around CM <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>5.0?<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>As 
        I said - any $0.02-$64K comments will be really appreciated. I will try 
        to <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>consolidate 
        this type of info, in something useful, if enough data warrants<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>it.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Thanks,<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Stefan<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>_______________________________________________<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>cisco-voip 
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