<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1543" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think VMWare (especially the ESX verison) has
definate advantages, even in a production environment. As far as I know the
underlying OS is as transparent as it can get to the client O/S and application.
There are many educational institutions which are experimenting with this sort
of datacentre. I'm not sure the single point of failure argument stands either,
from what I gather, setting up two ESX servers with shared data stores is quite
fault tolerant. Then again, I'm sure we'd all get at least two VMware servers,
seperating our pubs and subs equally.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think Cisco should at least investigate a version
of CallManager, et al, for the lab so that we can effectively and effeciently
build our labs to properly support our deployments. There are many institutions
which lease their servers so when they replace them they don't have anything to
migrate to the lab.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then again, I've been waiting a long time for
CSCdr03425 to be fixed, so I doubt VMware support is going to be done
anytime soon. ;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<HR>
</DIV>
<DIV>
<TABLE class=appstablecolor cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>
<TABLE class=appstablecolor cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"
border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=center noWrap width="70%" height=30><SPAN
class=contentheaderrev><STRONG>CSCdr03425 Bug
Details</STRONG></SPAN></TD>
<TD vAlign=center noWrap align=right width="28%"><STRONG><IMG
height=2 alt="" src="http://www.cisco.com/swa/i/pixel.gif" width=20
border=0><BR></STRONG></TD>
<TD width="5%"><STRONG><IMG height=1
src="http://www.cisco.com/swa/i/pixel.gif" width=6></STRONG></TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=right width=7><STRONG><IMG height=7 alt=""
src="http://www.cisco.com/swa/i/corner_ur_7.gif"
width=7></STRONG></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>
<TABLE class=appstablecolor cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=5 width="100%"
border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD><SPAN class=contentheaderalt><STRONG><FONT
color=#336666>Headline</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></TD>
<TD colSpan=3><SPAN class=content> AVVID: Allow additional line
appearances to be forwarded from phone</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD class=tblRowHeadCell width="15%"><SPAN
class=contentheaderalt><STRONG><FONT
color=#336666>Product</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></TD>
<TD colSpan=3><SPAN class=content> ciscocm</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD class=tblRowHeadCell width="15%"><SPAN
class=contentheaderalt><STRONG><FONT
color=#336666>Feature</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></TD>
<TD class=tblRowCell width="45%"><SPAN class=content> OTHERS
</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=tblRowHeadCell width="15%"><SPAN
class=contentheaderalt><STRONG><FONT color=#336666>Duplicate
of</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></TD>
<TD class=tblRowCell width="45%"> </TD></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD class=tblRowHeadCell width="15%"><SPAN
class=contentheaderalt><STRONG><FONT
color=#336666>Severity</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></TD>
<TD class=tblRowCell width="45%"><SPAN
class=content> 6 <A class=captionlink
href="javascript:sitewide_toolkit_window('/cgi-bin/Support/Bugtool/help.pl#sever','helpWindow');"><FONT
size=1>Severity help</FONT></A></SPAN></TD>
<TD class=tblRowHeadCell width="15%"><SPAN
class=contentheaderalt><STRONG><FONT
color=#336666>Status</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></TD><!-- Modified by dechandr 06-Oct-2003 -->
<TD class=tblRowCell width="45%"><SPAN
class=content> New <A class=captionlink
href="javascript:sitewide_toolkit_window('/cgi-bin/Support/Bugtool/help.pl#status','helpWindow');"><FONT
size=1>Status help</FONT></A></SPAN></TD><!-- End Of Modifications by dechandr 06-Oct-2003 --></TR>
<TR bgColor=#ffffff>
<TD class=tblRowHeadCell width="15%"><SPAN
class=contentheaderalt><STRONG><FONT color=#336666>First Found-in
Version</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></TD>
<TD class=tblRowCell width="45%"><SPAN
class=content> 2.4(2b)</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=tblRowHeadCell width="15%"><SPAN
class=contentheaderalt><STRONG><FONT color=#336666>First Fixed-in
Version</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></TD>
<TD class=tblRowCell width="45%"><SPAN
class=content> <A class=captionlink
href="javascript:sitewide_toolkit_window('/cgi-bin/Support/Bugtool/help.pl#version','helpWindow');"><FONT
size=1>Version
help</FONT></A></SPAN></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<HR>
</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kthorngr@cisco.com href="mailto:kthorngr@cisco.com">Kevin
Thorngren</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rleetun@co.boulder.co.us
href="mailto:rleetun@co.boulder.co.us">Leetun, Rob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 16, 2006 9:14 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cisco-voip] Vmware
Supported by Cisco...Thoughts??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I am not privy to any discussions in Cisco regarding vmware but
I can give you my opinion on why vmware is not supported today. I am also not
aware of any discussions for future support and would guess that it is not on
the roadmap. Even if we were to open up support just for demo/lab purposes we
would end up with customers deploying in a production environment and
expecting support when things don't work as expected.<BR><BR>For us to support
vmware we would need to verify the operation and performance of each version
of CallManager (possibly including Service Releases and Engineering Specials)
on vmware. This would, at a minimum, double our testing effort which would
cause major delays in getting product and updates out for our customers. In
addition we would need to create design guidelines for using vmware which
would have an impact on product release timeframes. <BR><BR>From a TAC support
perspective; vmware would increase the complexity of troubleshooting
operational and performance issues. Currently we support the CallManager OS.
Adding vmware to the mix would greatly increase the complexity of now having
to look at vmware and the host server's OS as potential issues.<BR><BR>Since
we don't test vmware we can't provide nor guarantee any sort of performance
levels for running CallManager on vmware. I would highly recommend NOT using
vmware in a production environment.<BR><BR>Again this is just my opinion and
not official word from Cisco :-)<BR><BR>Kevin<BR><BR>On Jun 16, 2006, at 8:41
AM, Leetun, Rob wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>Thanks
for the response Kevin. Other than for the obvious reason I stated
earlier. Why is everyone on this site installing 4.1.3 and etc. on
Vmware if it is not supported? When will Cisco support Vmware?<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>Rob<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>From:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>
Kevin Thorngren [mailto:kthorngr@cisco.com]<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>Sent:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>
Friday, June 16, 2006 6:37 AM<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>To:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>
Leetun, Rob<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>Cc:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>Subject:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>
Re: [cisco-voip] Vmware Supported by Cisco...Thoughts??<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>Cisco does not support
VMWare for CallManager, etc. The only Cisco supported installations are the
ones described in the docs on CCO.<BR><BR>Kevin<BR>On Jun 16, 2006, at 8:28
AM, Leetun, Rob wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Let's take this
communication in another direction… <?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This is very interesting to read all
the comments and questions about Vmware. When we purchased our
environment from Cisco. We had problems with<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TAC<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>support after the<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>install<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>because our environment was not
standard in their opinion. <?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>I have two questions:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>1. Does Cisco support the
Vmware environment? <?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>2.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>And if so, what are the parameters
for support and guidance?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>3. And, what products do they
support, e.g. Windows?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This could save us $$ when it
comes to replacing servers!<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Thanks.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
<BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Rob<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>cisco-voip mailing
list<BR>cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<BR>https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>
<HR>
<P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>cisco-voip mailing
list<BR>cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<BR>https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>