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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think VMWare (especially the ESX verison) has 
definate advantages, even in a production environment. As far as I know the 
underlying OS is as transparent as it can get to the client O/S and application. 
There are many educational institutions which are experimenting with this sort 
of datacentre. I'm not sure the single point of failure argument stands either, 
from what I gather, setting up two ESX servers with shared data stores is quite 
fault tolerant. Then again, I'm sure we'd all get at least two VMware servers, 
seperating our pubs and subs equally.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think Cisco should at least investigate a version 
of CallManager, et al, for the lab so that we can effectively and effeciently 
build our labs to properly support our deployments. There are many institutions 
which lease their servers so when they replace them they don't have anything to 
migrate to the lab.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then again, I've been waiting a long time for 
CSCdr03425 to be fixed, so I doubt VMware support&nbsp;is going to be done 
anytime soon. ;)</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=kthorngr@cisco.com href="mailto:kthorngr@cisco.com">Kevin 
  Thorngren</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rleetun@co.boulder.co.us 
  href="mailto:rleetun@co.boulder.co.us">Leetun, Rob</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net 
  href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 16, 2006 9:14 AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cisco-voip] Vmware 
  Supported by Cisco...Thoughts??</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>I am not privy to any discussions in Cisco regarding vmware but 
  I can give you my opinion on why vmware is not supported today. I am also not 
  aware of any discussions for future support and would guess that it is not on 
  the roadmap. Even if we were to open up support just for demo/lab purposes we 
  would end up with customers deploying in a production environment and 
  expecting support when things don't work as expected.<BR><BR>For us to support 
  vmware we would need to verify the operation and performance of each version 
  of CallManager (possibly including Service Releases and Engineering Specials) 
  on vmware. This would, at a minimum, double our testing effort which would 
  cause major delays in getting product and updates out for our customers. In 
  addition we would need to create design guidelines for using vmware which 
  would have an impact on product release timeframes. <BR><BR>From a TAC support 
  perspective; vmware would increase the complexity of troubleshooting 
  operational and performance issues. Currently we support the CallManager OS. 
  Adding vmware to the mix would greatly increase the complexity of now having 
  to look at vmware and the host server's OS as potential issues.<BR><BR>Since 
  we don't test vmware we can't provide nor guarantee any sort of performance 
  levels for running CallManager on vmware. I would highly recommend NOT using 
  vmware in a production environment.<BR><BR>Again this is just my opinion and 
  not official word from Cisco :-)<BR><BR>Kevin<BR><BR>On Jun 16, 2006, at 8:41 
  AM, Leetun, Rob wrote:<BR><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>Thanks 
    for the response Kevin.&nbsp; Other than for the obvious reason I stated 
    earlier.&nbsp; Why is everyone on this site installing 4.1.3 and etc. on 
    Vmware if it is not supported?&nbsp; When will Cisco support Vmware?<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR>&nbsp;<BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>Rob<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>From:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller> 
    Kevin Thorngren [mailto:kthorngr@cisco.com]<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>Sent:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller> 
    Friday, June 16, 2006 6:37 AM<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>To:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller> 
    Leetun, Rob<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>Cc:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller> 
    cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>Subject:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller> 
    Re: [cisco-voip] Vmware Supported by Cisco...Thoughts??<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>Cisco does not support 
    VMWare for CallManager, etc. The only Cisco supported installations are the 
    ones described in the docs on CCO.<BR><BR>Kevin<BR>On Jun 16, 2006, at 8:28 
    AM, Leetun, Rob wrote:<BR><BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Let's take this 
      communication in another direction…&nbsp;<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This is very interesting to read all 
      the comments and questions about Vmware.&nbsp; When we purchased our 
      environment from Cisco.&nbsp; We had problems with<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TAC<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>support after the<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>install<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>because our environment was not 
      standard in their opinion.&nbsp;<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>I have two questions:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>1. Does Cisco support the 
      Vmware environment?&nbsp;<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>2.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>And if so, what are the parameters 
      for support and guidance?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>3. And, what products do they 
      support, e.g. Windows?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This could save us $$ when it 
      comes to replacing servers!<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Thanks.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> 
      <BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Rob<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> 
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