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color=#0000ff size=2>While this is true for XP (and 2000), there would be an
issue for CCM 5.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=619283413-28072006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>You don't really get OS access. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=619283413-28072006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Do you think Cisco would support running the stop/start
commands and ifconfig from and end user perspective? Or even asking them
to dial into the server and change the MAC for you?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=619283413-28072006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>What interests me most is why the licensing server was
added now, with the Linux version, and not way earlier. MS is way more
touchy about giving away free licences (how many lab CCM's have a pile of
devices on them with out valid OS/SQL licensing?). While I can't blame
Cisco for going to this model, I can question the timing, and the way in which
it is done. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=619283413-28072006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>A demo license (I would say 30 devices in all including the
built-in stuff), would be the best way to go. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=619283413-28072006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>But when was the last time Cisco actually listened to its
customer base? (sorry for the caustic comment Cisco guys, I know all of you and
know how much you bust your butts and the frustrations even you folks have
getting things done internally, this isn't directed at you, it is directed at
those higher up the chain that for the last 6 years of voice products just don't
seem to listen much).</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Israel
Lang<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 28, 2006 8:30 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ted
Nugent<BR><B>Cc:</B> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[cisco-voip] CCM 5 on VMWare Server 1.0.0<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P>From: <A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address</A><BR></P>
<P><BR></P>
<P>Under <A title="Windows XP"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP">Windows XP</A>, the MAC address
can be changed in the Ethernet adapter's Properties menu, in the Advanced tab,
as "MAC Address", "Locally Administered Address", "Ethernet Address",
"Physical Address" or "Network Address". The exact name depends on the
Ethernet driver used; not all drivers support changing the MAC address in this
way.</P>
<P>However, a better solution - requiring Administrative User Rights - is to
pass over the System Registry Keys under
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E972-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}.
Here settings for each network interface can be found. The contents of the
string value called 'NetworkAddress' will be used to set the MAC address of
the adapter when next it is enabled. Resetting the adapter can be accomplished
in script with the freely available command line utility <A
class="external text"
title=http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q311272
href="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q311272">devcon</A>
from Microsoft, or from the adapters context menu in the Network Connections
control panel applet. </P>
<P>There is a FREEWARE tool called <A class="external text"
title=http://www.technitium.com/software/mac_changer_v3.1/mac_changer_v3.1.html
href="http://www.technitium.com/software/mac_changer_v3.1/mac_changer_v3.1.html">Technitium
MAC Address Changer v3.1 (FREEWARE)</A> which allows you to change MAC address
of your network interface card (NIC) in seconds, irrespective of its driver or
manufacturer.</P>
<P>Note: to check your MAC address easily under Windows NT4, Windows 2000 or
Windows XP: Click "Start", choose "Run...", type CMD and click OK, then type
<TT>ipconfig /all</TT> in the Command Prompt window that appears. The number
under physical address is the MAC address. If multiple IP are displayed, you
should look under the label "Ethernet adapter x", where x is the name of your
connection (which is Local Area Connection by default).</P><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 7/27/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Ted
Nugent</B> <<A
href="mailto:tednugent69@yahoo.com">tednugent69@yahoo.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Thanks
Ryan...<BR>No.. perfect sidetrack and good point...! and actually<BR>the
customer came up with that idea before I did :-(.<BR>But it was an older
DL380-G2 and the HP dude informed<BR>us that this could not be done on that
vintage <BR>server?? I remember doing this on IBM NICs and laptops<BR>years
ago so I could not beleive it wasn't an option.<BR>I've honestly not had to
do that before on an HP MCS<BR>server myself but you can do it via the HP
foundation <BR>CDs??<BR><BR><BR>--- Ryan Ratliff <<A
href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">rratliff@cisco.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>> Not to sidetrack the thread but in that case I'd
be<BR>> changing the mac<BR>> on the Unity server. <BR>><BR>>
-Ryan<BR>><BR>> On Jul 27, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Ted Nugent
wrote:<BR>><BR>> Right on with the hardware failure deal
scenario...<BR>> emailing licensing and waiting for someone in RTP
or<BR>> SJ to come on shift is unacceptable. During working <BR>>
hours in the states turn around is pretty quick but<BR>> I've found that
APT and EMEA are good at "AVVID" TAC<BR>> but licensing is non-existent!
I had the exact<BR>> scenario you mentioned with Unity at 1am Eastern US
<BR>> time and had to wait until 8:30am the next day to<BR>>
get<BR>> a .lic file! The customer was furious because they<BR>>
fronted most of their calls through a unity AA. The<BR>> HP<BR>> guy
was there to replace the motherboard within 3 <BR>> hours as contracted
but we had to wait an additional<BR>> 4<BR>> hours for a new .lic
file. And yes I did try calling<BR>> in a P1 but no one could and/or knew
how to help.<BR>> That's Unity… now if you have the same problem with
<BR>> your CM Cluster its Goodbye Cisco and Hello Avaya<BR>>
for<BR>> your customer.<BR>><BR>> --- Ryan LaTorre <<A
href="mailto:rlatorre@unislumin.com">rlatorre@unislumin.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > <BR>> > Not to tow the cisco line too
much, I would argue<BR>> > that the 3.4GB of<BR>> > patches in
three months is a good thing. Cisco is<BR>> > undoubtedly
dealing<BR>> > with a large number of bugs, which should be <BR>>
> expected of a new product.<BR>> > Cisco has done their part to
keep it on New<BR>> Product<BR>> > Hold, primarily<BR>> >
approving lab deployments in which the real issues<BR>> > will be
discovered. <BR>> > The patches have come fast and furious which
tells<BR>> > me they're feverishly<BR>> > ramping up the
stability.<BR>> ><BR>> > Having said that, I agree with the demo
licensing<BR>> > sentiments 100%. <BR>> > There needs to be
something readily available for<BR>> > partners and Cisco SEs<BR>>
> to work with.<BR>> ><BR>> > Demo licensing isn't my only
concern though.<BR>> > Consider the operational <BR>> > impact.
The publisher hardware dies (somehow). An<BR>> > extra server
is<BR>> > brought into service to quickly replace it, but<BR>>
wait<BR>> > - to activate and<BR>> > use it a special licensing
request has to be <BR>> > fulfilled. I don't know how<BR>> >
long that takes, especially if it's 2am. Or<BR>> >
replacing a subscriber with<BR>> > new hardware - it may be
advantageous to build a<BR>> new<BR>> > server with a new <BR>>
> entity, add it into the cluster, and subsequently<BR>> > remove
the existing<BR>> > one a few days later. This will no
longer be<BR>> > possible.<BR>> ><BR>> > I understand the
need for licensing, but the <BR>> > operational impact has to<BR>>
> also be considered and some flexibility built-in.<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: <A
href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</A><BR>>
> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</A>]
On<BR>> > Behalf Of Jonathan<BR>> > Charles<BR>> > Sent:
Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:17 PM <BR>> > To: Ted Nugent<BR>> >
Cc: <A
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A>;
Serg; Andrew Riley<BR>> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCM 5 on VMWare
Server<BR>> > 1.0.0 <BR>> ><BR>> > What's really stupid
here is that they offer demo<BR>> > licenses for Unity,<BR>> >
IPCC, CiscoWorks (90 day), etc... Why not CCM5?<BR>> ><BR>> > My
guess is that Cisco doesn't want anyone playing <BR>> > with it, so
they<BR>> > won't report back how buggy it is (come on guys,<BR>>
> Cisco has released<BR>> > 3.4GB of patches (on a 1.2GB install
DVD) in the<BR>> > past three months..<BR>> ><BR>> >
That's very bad.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
Jonathan<BR>> ><BR>> > On 7/27/06, Ted Nugent <<A
href="mailto:tednugent69@yahoo.com">tednugent69@yahoo.com</A>> <BR>>
> wrote:<BR>> >> I can't agree enough. We have at least 4
midsize<BR>> > customers that are<BR>> >> looking to migrate
to CM5 however we are very<BR>> > reluctant to perform any<BR>>
><BR>> >> sort of migration until we can get some sort
of<BR>> > license for our lab.<BR>> >> We've been around and
around with our Cisco SE's<BR>> > but have yet to get a<BR>> >
<BR>> >> definitive answer. Cisco's pumped up<BR>> >> CM5
for all of our/their customers and are<BR>> leaving<BR>> > their
partners<BR>> >> asses in the wind on this. Very frustrating! I
<BR>> > can't imagine how much<BR>> >> money they've lost
already over something that<BR>> > seems to be a no<BR>> >>
brainer!<BR>> >><BR>> >> --- Jonathan Charles <<A
href="mailto:jonvoip@gmail.com"> jonvoip@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>
>><BR>> >>> I have had little or no problems installing
CCM5<BR>> > on VMWare... the<BR>> >>> problem is
licensing... Cisco needs to release a<BR>> > demo license (5<BR>>
>>> phones, 2 nodes) for lab purposes (if they want<BR>> >
anyone to even think<BR>> ><BR>> >>> about deploying this
thing).<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Until we have completed
lab testing (which we <BR>> > cannot do with 5),<BR>> >>>
there is no way in hell we will deploy it in our<BR>> >
network.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Cisco's loss (our network
has 240,000 users).<BR>> >>> <BR>> >>><BR>>
>>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Jonathan<BR>>
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