<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Another thing you could do as a workaround is to use 'match protocol rtp audio' on your class-map (match any) with dscp ef or some other combination you like. I've had to use this in places to fix voice quality issues where QoS wasn't being set correctly throughout the network and no one had access to rest of network, etc or knew what was being done where. <br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Keith Klevenski <keith.klevenski@rig.net><br>To: Jason Aarons (US) <jason.aarons@us.didata.com>; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:32:22 AM<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Strict Priority Queuing over T1 for
Voice<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">It turns out the problem is indeed the
6608. It intermittently marks RTP packets with DSCP 0. This explains why I didn’t
see any drops on any interfaces because I falsely assumed the packets were
being marked with EF so if they were dropped I should see them dropped in the high
priority queue. There were plenty of low priority queue drops, but I never
though the RTP stream would be part of those drops! We did look at sniffer
traces before, but didn’t look at every single packet to see how it was
marked. That is where we didn’t absolutely confirm that ALL packets were
being marked properly.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Oddly manually marking the packets on the
vlan interface where all the 6608 ports are doesn’t work either. You can
see the matches in the show policy-map int command and it looks like they are
getting marked with DSCP 46, but upon looking at the sniffer traces after the problem
continued the DSCP was still marked 0 for some packets just as it was before. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Going to open a TAC case to see what the
deal is with this bug. It is first found in CatOS, but fixed in a CallManager
release. That seems pretty strange to me and even stranger why a service
policy on the MSFC didn’t have any effect. I’m certain it was
configured properly. It is also odd that Cisco says there is no known
workaround for the problem. Why can’t you just manually mark the
packets? Well, apparently you can’t at least from the MSFC so I guess it’s
all related somehow.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Anyway, just an FYI for you all. We ended
bandaiding the problem by putting all UDP traffic sourced from the 6608 ports
in the high priority queue on the outbound interface of the T1 (the 7200) at
the datacenter to the office until we get it resolved. I will keep you
posted. ;)<br>
<br>
Keith</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Klevenski<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 25, 2006
12:06 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jason Aarons (US);
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] Strict
Priority Queuing over T1 for Voice</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Thanks Jason.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">After doing some more research I think I
may be hitting CSCsb49202:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">6608 : Incorrect marking DSCP value to 0</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">It is first fixed in version 4.1(3)ES53
which is newer than SR3c which is what we’re running and is the latest
SR.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">If this is the problem this actually makes
sense. I’m not seeing any drops in the HIGH priority queue, but
plenty in the low queue when there is congestion on the T1. All of the
RTP packets I saw were marked EF, but I didn’t see if every single packet
in sequence was marked with EF. If some are being marked with DSCP 0 then
they would be dropped in the low priority queue which I see plenty of drops
there when there is congestion on the T1. And the fact that if I am on an
internal call (over the T1) or out a different gateway I do not see any
problems.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">PQ has been working fine for us and works
fine with links over satellite for oil rigs. We only care about voice so
that’s why we use legacy PQ. Easy and straightforward.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Instead of upgrading to the latest ES
we’re going to mark all RTP packets with DSCP EF manually to make sure
they are marked properly. I will update the group with the results.</span></font></p>
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Thanks for all of the input!<br>
<br>
Keith</span></font></p>
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cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jason Aarons (US)<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 25, 2006
11:54 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] Strict
Priority Queuing over T1 for Voice</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I would change the QoS match the Cisco SRND
recommendations. Plus Cisco can’t say your are not using their best
practices.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">It seems to me you get more deatail in
show policy-map interface versus show queueing interface.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Aside from that look for show queueing
interface, show interface and drops. You indicate none are found, maybe verify
that with Ethereal/WireShark. The Smart Decode in Ethereal is pretty good.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Keith Klevenski
[mailto:keith.klevenski@rig.net] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 25, 2006
10:36 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jason Aarons (US);
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [cisco-voip] Strict
Priority Queuing over T1 for Voice</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Just using plain old legacy priority
queuing:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">priority-list 1 protocol ip high list 110</span></font></p>
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111</span></font></p>
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112</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">priority-list 1 default low</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">access-list 110 permit ip any any dscp ef</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">access-list 111 permit ip any any dscp
af31</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">access-list 111 permit ip any any dscp
af21</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">access-list 111 permit ip any any dscp
af22</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">access-list 111 permit ip any any dscp
af23</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">access-list 111 permit ip any any dscp cs3</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">access-list 112 permit ip any any dscp
af11</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">access-list 112 permit ip any any dscp
af12</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">access-list 112 permit ip any any dscp
af13</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Jason Aarons (US)<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 25, 2006
8:08 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] Strict
Priority Queuing over T1 for Voice</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Auto qos voip does a great job of
generating the policy-maps. What does your policy look like?.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">What does your show policy-map interface
x/y/z show when the problem occurs? Are LLQ matched packets being
discarded? Maybe the service-policy is not protecting the voice like you think.</span></font></p>
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cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Klevenski<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 24, 2006
5:43 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [cisco-voip] Strict
Priority Queuing over T1 for Voice</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Hi all,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I’ve been battling a problem that seemed to have
surfaced recently as we have added more users to the office. We have an
office of about 35 users now with a point to point T1 (HDLC) between this
office and the datacenter where the CallManager’s (running 4.1.3) and
PSTN gateway (6608 blade) are. Basically this:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">PSTN</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> |</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">6608/6509 (datacenter) (12.1(11b)E14 on msfc and 6.4(10) on
sup)</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> | trunk</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">7200 (datacenter) 12.3(6a)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">T1</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">2811 (remote office) 12.3(11)T7</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">3750 (remote office)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Phones</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">We have strict priority queuing configured on the T1
interfaces (and the FastEthernet interfaces although I don’t think this
is necessary) with DSCP EF traffic in the high queue and signaling (AF31/21/22/23
and CS3) the medium queue and other traffic in the normal and low queues.
</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">The problem is when the T1 is saturated we start seeing high
jitter (1-2 seconds) and rxlost packets on the phones and voice quality of
course suffers. The thing is I see NO dropped packets on any interface
from the PSTN to the switch port the phone is connected to other than the call
statistics on the phone. This confuses me greatly unless the phone itself
is dropping them… it would seem that if the phone determines there are
missing packets (rxlost) they would show up on some interface somewhere but
they do not. Sniffer traces at the phone show the missing packets.
Sniffer traces at the trunk at the remote office show missing packets, but
traces on the trunk in the datacenter (from the 7200 to 6509) show all packets
accounted for. Seems like the T1 is the issue. There are 24 line
code violations on the T1 in the last 24 hours, but no slips. The problem
only seems to occur when there is high traffic on the T1. We also noticed
no other traffic is marked EF and the RTP stream is EF at the datacenter and at
the office so that isn’t being remarked or anything. But there are
no input queue drops on the 2811 (which I wouldn’t expect since the RTP stream
should be CEF switched anyway). If the input interface cannot handle the
amount of traffic and the traffic is all CEF switched where would you see input
drops? There are a handful of buffer failures, but nothing that would
account for the number of complaints I’ve been getting lately.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I’ve connected my phone directly to the 2811 and
bypassed the 3750 with the same results.<br>
<br>
I also noticed that the rxsize fluctuates between 10ms and 20ms also.
Shouldn’t that always be 20ms? I thought that was odd.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I guess my main question is when using strict priority
queuing shouldn’t the voice packets ALWAYS get sent first no matter
what?? I want to believe they are since there are NO drops in the high
priority queue outbound from the datacenter. What is the best way to do
QoS for voice over a T1 when you only care about the voice? Seems like
strict priority queuing is the best way to assure voice traffic is sent
first. We don’t really care about starving out any other
traffic. If packets are being dropped shouldn’t I see them
somewhere other than on the phone?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Any input on this problem is welcome!</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Keith</span></font></p>
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