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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=129415817-04122006><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>FYI, Nodes (servers) in a cluster are licensed entities... see
attached.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=129415817-04122006><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-- Fred Nielsen</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Johnson,
Ken<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 04, 2006 8:55 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Jonathan
Charles; Nick Kassel<BR><B>Cc:</B> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [cisco-voip] CCM 4.1(3) to 5.04 Migrations<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582174415-01122006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Along these lines, We're considering an upgrade to the 5.x
train from our 4.1(3) installation mainly for SIP endpoint support. (I am
assuming there is nothing in the 4.3 or later trains that will have that - but
I've not seen the EFT docs. Our question is - is there any documented way -
(however complex) to manually obtain licenses for devices (with documented
Purchase Orders, etc) that aren't on the callmanager when the upgrade process is
performed?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582174415-01122006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Mainly because we keep around 30 physical devices and 10-15
purchase IP Communicator licenses in inventory for chargeouts at any given time
and I'm hoping we won't have to set all those up on the CM just to convert the
licenses - but I'm assuming we will - can anyone confirm?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582174415-01122006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Also - we have taken two of our six CallManager licenses
and used them (for whatever reasons) as a lab for some time - I suppose we could
have just used non-licensed servers but at the time I wasn't sure if labs were
exempt from licensing requirements. Will we need to move those back to the
cluster in order for the server licenses to be converted or does the 5.x
licensing only cover endpoints?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken Johnson<BR> Mgr. Network
Services,<BR> Information Technology<BR> LeTourneau
University<BR>_________________________________<BR> E-mail:
kenjohnson@letu.edu<BR> Helpdesk: (903) 233-3500<BR> Phone: (903)
233-3520<BR> Web: </FONT><A title=http://www.letu.edu/infotech/
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Jonathan Charles
[mailto:jonvoip@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 24, 2006 10:52
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Nick Kassel<BR><B>Cc:</B>
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cisco-voip] CCM 4.1(3) to
5.04 Migrations<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>You are going to run into some serious problems.<BR><BR>Not that the
idea isn't sound, I am just concerned about your DHCP scope and how you are
going to get chunks of phones to register to the new cluster and the old with
the same DHCP Option 150 address (you could manually change the tftp on the
phones, but that seems time consuming)... Also, you run the risk of having a
discontiguous dial-plan (where 12XX are on the old cluster, yet 123X are on the
new, etc.). <BR><BR>You will also run into licensing issues (if you use DMA, you
can get a license automatically for free, if you don't, you have to buy
one...)<BR><BR>Just stuff you want to keep in mind.<BR><BR>What I might suggest
instead is to drop in a second server, install 5.0(4) using the DMA (so the old
database is fully migrated). And then slowly move phones over (chunk by chunk in
their original DHCP scope (just change opt 150 and reboot the phone). If it
fails (for whatever reason), change the DHCP back and reboot them again.
<BR><BR>If you have MGCP gateways, it won't be simple to get them to change back
if the system catastrophically fails, but it will be better than attempting an
onbox upgrade.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Jonathan<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 11/24/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Nick
Kassel</B> <<A
href="mailto:Nick.Kassel@charles-stanley.co.uk">Nick.Kassel@charles-stanley.co.uk</A>>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When migrating from a 4.1(3)
cluster to 5.04, is it possible to do this in a staged way, Ideally we would
like to install a cluster of version 5 servers with an ICT between the 2
clusters and slowly migrate users across, stage by stage. E.g. one remote site
at a time. Hopefully causing us less issues.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But what I seem to have read
suggests running the DMA and then copying all the license files for the phones
in one go to the new cluster, if I do this can I still run the 2 clusters
together. If not there must be another way to do this as I can't believe
that you have to migrate across all or nothing at all.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has anyone done anything similar
or can point me in the direction of any further info regarding
migrations.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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