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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Is IPCCx 4.5 based on 3.5 or something? I
thought IPCCx 4.5 was based on 4.0 just without HA. Am I wrong?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Scott<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Jonathan Charles
[mailto:jonvoip@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 04, 2007
1:36 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Voll, Scott<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] 4.1(3)
to 5.X Appliance Servers</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Unity is 4.2(1) with TSP
8.1(3)<br>
<br>
There is no call center at that site...<br>
<br>
I will not upgrade a customer who is running IPCC 4.0 to CCM5... I think IPCC
4.5 is a step backwards (I really like the features and config for 4.0).<br>
<br>
Haven't run into any problems, but then again, they aren't doing anything that
interesting... (just phones and voicemail...)<br>
<br>
Personally, I don't think there is anything that special about CCM5 for most
customers... though it is seriously looking like Cisco is forcing people to the
5.x train (it looks like it is getting harder and harder to order the 4.2 part
numbers...)<br>
<br>
Once Presence is fully realized with the Cisco Unified Client, it might get
very interesting, but at the moment, it is just something new and strange to
play with. <br>
<br>
So far it has been a week since 5.1.1 went live and I haven't heard a word from
them.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 1/4/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Voll,
Scott</span></b> <<a href="mailto:Scott.Voll@wesd.org"> Scott.Voll@wesd.org</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Jonathan—</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Your running 5.1.1a live now? What differences have
your end users notices going from 4.1 to 5.1?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Are you running IPCCx? What version of Unity?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Please explain, licensing "easy as hell".</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Thanks</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Scott</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>PS. I would like to upgrade March.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Jonathan Charles [mailto:<a
href="mailto:jonvoip@gmail.com" target="_blank">jonvoip@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 04, 2007
11:06 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ryan Ratliff<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Nick Kassel; Voll, Scott; <a
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] 4.1(3)
to 5.X Appliance Servers</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>But there is no way to apply a DMA to an already built
CCM5 box... AFAIK...<br>
<br>
Actually, what we did was we got new servers for CCM5 (the old ones sucked a
lot), and we installed CCM4.1(3)sr3b on one of them.<br>
<br>
We then restored our backup to it and ran DMA on that server, got the file and
offloaded it to an FTP server. <br>
<br>
We then blew the box away with CCM5.0(4), restored the DMA during the install,
got it licensed (easy as hell), and upgraded it to 5.1(1).<br>
<br>
We then played with it for a few days, made sure everything migrated correctly
(it did), all the while still running 4.1 live...<br>
<br>
Then, in a flash (actually one night), we changed the DHCP scope to point to
the new Pub (we also built the two subs during this period), and we changed the
call agent on the MGCP gateways.<br>
<br>
Once we were sure the gateways were up and registered, we started rebooting
phones and making test calls... everything worked fine. <br>
<br>
We killed the old system a few days later.<br>
<br>
So, we never ran DMA on the live CCM pub...<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On
1/4/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Ryan Ratliff </span></b><<a
href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com" target="_blank">rratliff@cisco.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yes and
no... <br>
<br>
Yes because you can very much run DMA on your existing server and<br>
install CM 5 on your new server. There is no such thing as a pre-<br>
built CM 5 box however. Just like with previous versions of CM the<br>
hostname and IP address are set during OS install and when upgrading <br>
(currently) you cannot change the hostname or IP address of the<br>
server or the migration fails. I believe 5.1 new installs will<br>
allow you to change hostname/ip address during the install but don't<br>
quote me on that :) <br>
<br>
The 4.1 migration to 5.x is very similar to the 3.2 upgrade to 3.3 or<br>
later. You take the backup of the old version with the specific<br>
backup version (DMA in this case). Then you do the install on the<br>
new server and tell it you are upgrading. During the CM install it <br>
will ask for the backup file and it will import the data at that<br>
time. The only time you can migrate your 4.1 data is
during the CM<br>
install. The cool thing now though is instead of a set of OS disks<br>
and a set of CM disks you have one DVD that installs the OS and <br>
CallManager at the same time.<br>
<br>
-Ryan<br>
<br>
On Jan 4, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Nick Kassel wrote:<br>
<br>
So I can run the DMA on the old Publisher and apply it to the pre<br>
built appliance model.<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Voll, Scott [mailto: <a href="mailto:Scott.Voll@wesd.org" target="_blank">Scott.Voll@wesd.org</a>]<br>
Sent: 04 January 2007 17:05<br>
To: Nick Kassel; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] 4.1(3) to 5.X Appliance Servers<br>
<br>
<br>
Same idea as upgrading a box. You run the utility to backup your 4.1<br>
install and restore to the new box. I can't remember the utility off<br>
hand.<br>
<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Nick Kassel [mailto: <a href="mailto:Nick.Kassel@Charles-Stanley.co.uk"
target="_blank">Nick.Kassel@Charles-Stanley.co.uk</a>]<br>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:50 AM<br>
To: Voll, Scott; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
</a><br>
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] 4.1(3) to 5.X Appliance Servers<br>
<br>
<br>
Sorry, what I actually meant was, servers that are pre built with<br>
Call Manager already installed, not one where we will install Call<br>
Manager ourselves. <br>
<br>
<br>
From: Voll, Scott [mailto:<a href="mailto:Scott.Voll@wesd.org" target="_blank">Scott.Voll@wesd.org</a>]<br>
Sent: 04 January 2007 16:40<br>
To: Nick Kassel; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
</a><br>
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] 4.1(3) to 5.X Appliance Servers<br>
<br>
<br>
All CM 5.x servers are Appliances. So I think you need to be looking<br>
at upgrading.<br>
<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
<br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-" target="_blank">cisco-voip-</a><br>
<a href="mailto:bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
On Behalf Of Nick Kassel<br>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:39 AM <br>
To: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Subject: [cisco-voip] 4.1(3) to 5.X Appliance Servers<br>
<br>
<br>
We are soon going to be going to 5.X and we will more than likely be<br>
getting the appliance servers, can anyone point me in the direction<br>
of documentation for upgrading to appliance models, the only<br>
documentation I can find it for installing or upgrading another box.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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