We did a test upgrade yesterday: <br><br>Restored a BARS backup of our production pub to our test server, ran DMA (so had about 3300 unregistered devices in the database at the time DMA was run), then installed CCM 5 and loaded that DMA onto it. CallManager reports approx 14000 DLU's. At 4 DLU's per 7960 thats in the right ballpark.
<br><br>I'll see about doing a new DMA and add some "unknown" devices.<br><br>On another note... lesson learned: make sure you specify how you want your DLU's if you order new ones. I just ordered 300 7960 phones + 1200 DLU's and the DLU's arrived in packets of 10... yes I now have 15 pounds of license units. I guess I didn't specify to the vendor that I wanted the license packs in quantities that made sense.
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/8/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jonathan Charles</b> <<a href="mailto:jonvoip@gmail.com">jonvoip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
You mean 'Unknown'... that is probable....<br><br>To be honest, I would suspect they would not carry the licenses over for phones that are in an unknown state... but unregistered doesn't make sense... what if a phone is at a remote site and the wan is down while you are doing the upgrade, do you just get hosed?
<br><span class="sg"><br><br><br>Jonathan</span><div><span class="e" id="q_1126a0ab42871674_2"><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/7/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com</a></b> <<a href="mailto:CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Could it be that phones that were at
least registered before and now offline are ok, but phones that are "not
found" meaning never registered to the system are not?</font>
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<br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Carlos</font>
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</td><td><font face="sans-serif" size="1">Re: [cisco-voip] Callmanager upgrade
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<br><font color="#1f497d" face="sans-serif" size="2">Interesting. Cisco
was hit hard on this at the UC 6.0 Partner Beta training, and the IPC BU
repeated many times that the phones had to be registered to be counted
in the license file.</font>
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<br><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Jonathan Charles [mailto:<a href="mailto:jonvoip@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jonvoip@gmail.com</a>]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Monday, May 07, 2007 11:59 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Matt Slaga (US)<b><br>
Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cbomba@s4nets.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">cbomba@s4nets.com</a>; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Callmanager upgrade 4.1 >>> 5.1</font>
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<br><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">This is NOT true.<br>
<br>
I just did an upgrade (3.3 to 5.1)... and we built a new server with CCM3.3,
restored the backup (in a lab, no phones present), upgraded to 4.1, ran
DMA and upgraded to 5.1 and restored the DMA data. <br>
<br>
The license was for all of the phones configured (zero phones were registered
at the time DMA was run), and the customer had a full upgrade license for
all configured phones.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Jonathan</font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">On 5/7/07, <b>Matt Slaga (US)</b>
<</font><a href="mailto:Matt.Slaga@us.didata.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>Matt.Slaga@us.didata.com</u></font></a><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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wrote:</font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Actually, this is not the case.
It will only generate DLUs for phones<br>
that are registered with the CallManager server. It will skip any<br>
device that is not registered and not count it in the DLU list.<br>
<br>
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M.<br>
Bomba<br>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:05 AM<br>
To: </font><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</u></font></a>
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Subject: [cisco-voip] Callmanager upgrade 4.1 >>> 5.1<br>
<br>
Who said you had to buy the phones. You can just put phones in with<br>
bogus MAC addresses and it will generate DLUs for those. I thought
they<br>
had to be registered but turns out that they just have to be present in
<br>
the system. You can create IP communicators or any other phone to
boost<br>
the DLUs. That is a big problem since anybody can do this.<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
<br>
--original message--<br>
<br>
thanks Ed for your reply, yes you are right I contacted Partner help and
<br>
they told me that during the upgrade a file will be generated that when<br>
given to cisco they will give us back the DLUs equivalent to what<br>
configured on the system. I think this is an illegal workaround for the<br>
lic. issue as by that someone could buy phones without lic. and then<br>
setup them with CM 4.1 and then upgrade and he will be having a DLUs for<br>
free. I think Cisco has to do something to solve this.<br>
<br>
Thanks and Best Regards <br>
<br>
Ahmed A. Elnagar<br>
Network Field Engineer<br>
<br>
Advanced Computer Technology (ACT)<br>
16 Fawzy Ramah St.Off Shehab St.Mohandessin, Giza, Egypt<br>
Postal Code:12411 Cairo Egypt<br>
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Mob: +2010-2833868<br>
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________________________________<br>
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From: Ed Leatherman [mailto:</font><a href="mailto:ealeatherman@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>
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Sent: Wed 02-May-07 3:16 PM<br>
To: Ahmed Elnagar<br>
Cc: </font><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</u></font></a>
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Callmanager upgrade 4.1 >>> 5.1<br>
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<br>
hi Ahmed,<br>
<br>
When you upgrade, callmanager will generate a temporary license for all<br>
the devices you have configured from 4.1. If I understand correctly, you<br>
just have to send that off to cisco's licensing group and have it <br>
converted to a real 5.2 license with the appropriate number of DLUs. If<br>
its anything like Unity licensing, the turn-around is pretty quick. I'm<br>
assuming you need a SASU agreement for callmanager for them to do it. <br>
<br>
We are getting ready to do the same process here this summer with our<br>
4.1 system.<br>
<br>
Hope that helps.<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 5/2/07, Ahmed Elnagar <</font><a href="mailto:aelnagar@act-eg.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>aelnagar@act-eg.com
</u></font></a><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">> wrote:<br>
<br>
Hello all;<br>
<br>
A customer wants to upgrade from CM 4.1 to
5.1, what I am<br>
worried about is the licsences issue. How will I get the DLUs for<br>
callmanager 5.1 we have a lic. with each phone but how we will get the
<br>
DLUs??<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks and Best Regards<br>
<br>
Ahmed A. Elnagar<br>
Network Field Engineer<br>
<br>
Advanced Computer Technology (ACT)<br>
16 Fawzy Ramah St.Off Shehab St.Mohandessin
, Giza, Egypt<br>
Postal Code:12411 Cairo Egypt<br>
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