but the good news is theres no more java issues ;-)<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/5/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Paul Choi</b> <<a href="mailto:asobihoudai@yahoo.com">asobihoudai@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">This is not encouraging news...<br><br>We're about to embark on a CCM6 install on Monday. . .<br><br>:(
<br><br><br>--- Jonathan Charles <<a href="mailto:jonvoip@gmail.com">jonvoip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> You have no idea...<br>><br>> The only way to show you is to have you set up a CCM<br>> 4.3 box on
<br>> Windows 2003 and CCM6.0 box...<br>><br>> Put CCM4.3 on a VMWare with too little ram (say<br>> 1GB).<br>><br>> Put CCM6.0 on a 7845.<br>><br>> The 4.3 box will beat the 6.0 box by seconds on each
<br>> page load or query.<br>><br>> I have timed it. The average time to load an empty<br>> page (go to<br>> device-phone, how long does it take for that page to<br>> load?): for<br>> CCM6.0, about 8 seconds, for
4.3, about 1.5.<br>><br>> For queries, 4.3 nukes the crap out of 6 (or 5)...<br>> it can be 20<br>> seconds for a CCM6 query, and about 3 seconds for<br>> 4.3...<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Jonathan
<br>><br>> On 10/5/07, Paul Choi <<a href="mailto:asobihoudai@yahoo.com">asobihoudai@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > Just be glad they didn't pick something like,<br>> Oracle.<br>> > Oh the humanity!
<br>> ><br>> > IANADBA (I'm not a DBA) so I don't know the<br>> difference<br>> > in how SQL Server 2005 compares to say,<br>> PostgreSQL. I<br>> > hope that Cisco finds a faster DBMS if it really
<br>> is as<br>> > slow as you folks make it sound.<br>> ><br>> > --- "Jason Aarons (US)"<br>> <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@us.didata.com">jason.aarons@us.didata.com</a>><br>> > wrote:
<br>> ><br>> > > Customers do complain the "Loading" is slow,<br>> > > especially when on a Phone<br>> > > DN you hit Line Partition and "Loading" changes<br>> > > focus. You would think
<br>> > > Cisco could speed it up. I do miss the SQL<br>> > > Enterprise Manager for<br>> > > queries versus the SOAP AXL or command line I've<br>> > > seen TAC do. TAC isn't<br>
> > > happy when they have to type long select<br>> statements.<br>> > ><br>> > > Informix isn't the database of choice by DBAs.<br>> > ><br>> > > -----Original Message-----
<br>> > > From: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a><br>> > > [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
</a>] On<br>> > > Behalf Of Jonathan<br>> > > Charles<br>> > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:19 PM<br>> > > To: Bill Simon<br>> > > Cc: cisco voip list<br>> > > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCM Web Page
<br>> performance<br>> > > issues, aka<br>> > > 'Loading,Please Wait' (a rant)<br>> > ><br>> > > We upgrade cuz the customer hears 'linux' and<br>> thinks<br>> > > it is better...
<br>> > > that is also what the sales people are<br>> selling...<br>> > ><br>> > > To be honest, the only kick-ass features for<br>> CCM5<br>> > > are BAT and the LDAP<br>> > > integration.
<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Jonathan<br>> > ><br>> > > On 10/5/07, Bill Simon <<a href="mailto:bills@psu.edu">bills@psu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>> > > > Yeah, just a WAG but I'd suspect the DB, not
<br>> the<br>> > > web server.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > CCM 4.x remains, in my opinion, the best out<br>> > > there. Why are you all<br>> > > > moving to the higher versions, anyway? Just
<br>> for<br>> > > SIP endpoints?<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Paul Choi wrote:<br>> > > > > Linux is just an OS. What people put on top<br>> of<br>> > > it is
<br>> > > > > largely their choice. If Cisco installed<br>> wine<br>> > > and ran<br>> > > > > IIS on top of that for their web server,<br>> then<br>> > > that<br>> > > > > would likely run slowly.
<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > I am not informed on the Linux-based CCM<br>> boxen<br>> > > but I'd<br>> > > > > certainly hope that Cisco is using apache to<br>> > > serve its
<br>> > > > > webpages. I've heard that the DB is Informix<br>> or<br>> > > > > something like that.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > My point being, it doesn't matter what OS
<br>> you<br>> > > are<br>> > > > > using - if you put a slow application on it,<br>> > > it'll<br>> > > > > still run slow no matter what you do to it.<br>> > > > >
<br>> > > > > Paul<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > --- Jonathan Charles <<a href="mailto:jonvoip@gmail.com">jonvoip@gmail.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> > > > ><br>
> > > > >> So, I am curious why all of us are putting<br>> up<br>> > > with<br>> > > > >> this.<br>> > > > >><br>> > > > >> For years we were all told that Linux was
<br>> > > superior,<br>> > > > >> that Linux was how<br>> > > > >> a real web server should function...<br>> > > > >><br>> > > > >> Now, we have CCM 5 and CCM 6... and the web
<br>> > > server<br>> > > > >> performance, is,<br>> > > > >> er, well, how do we put this...<br>> > > > >><br>> > > > >> Here we go. It is far worse than anything
<br>> > > Microsoft<br>> > > > >> has ever released.<br>> > > > >> I think Microsoft BOB would be a better web<br>> > > server<br>> > > > >> than whatever crap
<br>> > > > >> is on the backend of this RedHat<br>> monstrosity.<br>> > > > >><br>> > > > >> In CallManger 4.3, using Microsoft<br>> > > WINDOWS(!!!!!!)<br>
> > > > >> IIS and Cisco<br>> > > > >> Tomcat, I can scream through all of the web<br>> > > pages;<br>> > > > >> do DB reads in<br>> > > > >> nanoseconds; do DB inserts almost as quick,
<br>> and<br>> > > I<br>> > > > >> have never seen a<br>> > > > >> message on my web browser saying, 'Loading,<br>> > > Please<br>> > > > >> Wait'
<br>> > > > >><br>> > > > >> I mean, seriously, this is godawful slow.<br>> > > > >><br>> > > > >> I just installed CCM5.1.3 on an HP 7845,<br>> 4GB of
<br>> > > RAM,<br>> > > > >> dual dual core<br>> > > > >> Xeons... and all I see at every mouse click<br>> is<br>> > > > >> 'Loading, Please<br>> > > > >> Wait'..
<br>> > > > >><br>> > > > >> Is Cisco punishing us for something? Did we<br>> > > offend<br>> > > > >> them in some way? I<br>> > > > >> am at a point where I am wondering if I
<br>> should<br>> > > tell<br>> > > > >> customers about<br>> > > > >> these performance issues prior to picking a<br>> > > version<br>> > > > >> ('if you want to
<br>> > > > >> be able to administer this and not slash<br>> your<br>> > > > >> wrists, waiting for the<br>> > > > >> home page to load, you may want to go with<br>
> > > 4.3...')<br>> > > > >> because I am tired<br>> > > > >> of hearing about it afterwards...<br>> > > > >><br>> > > > >> Seriously guys, I mean, this pretty much
<br>> kills<br>> > > > >> whatever argument you<br>> > > > >> Linux freaks had that this was better than<br>> > > > >> Windows... add the whole<br>> > > > >> SFTP requirement, and you can see why the
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