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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De :</B> Ryan Ratliff
[mailto:rratliff@cisco.com] <BR><B>Envoyé :</B> 9 janvier 2008
09:16<BR><B>À :</B> Lelio Fulgenzi<BR><B>Cc :</B>
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net; STEVEN CASPER<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re:
[cisco-voip] CCM Upgrade - Best Practices<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Don't ever deactivate the CCM service via Service Activation unless
you are permanently removing a subscriber from the cluster or turning it off on
the publisher for good.
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<DIV>As Lelio saw when you do this you lose all service parameters for the
server. Also when you re-activate the service the server gets a new CTI
node ID. This means that the CCM service on all other nodes in the cluster
will have to be restarted before they pick up this change, ie no SDL links to
this server. The last big thing de-activation does is remove the server
from all CM groups it is in. </DIV>
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<DIV>Stopping/Starting/Disabling the service via the Win2k services.msc doesn't
hurt anything and if you need to prevent CCM from starting automatically set it
to Manual or Disabled there. </DIV>
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<DIV>On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Redefining device pools has worked for us in the
past, but they say not to make changes during the upgrade, so there's no way to
really keep a phone away from a subscriber during the upgrade process other than
disabling it or setting it to manual.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm guessing setting it to manual in WIN2K should
work, but they've always told us not to do that. ;)</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); webkit-background-clip: initial; webkit-background-origin: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=SCASPER@mtb.com
href="mailto:SCASPER@mtb.com">STEVEN CASPER</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=rratliff@cisco.com
href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">Ryan Ratliff</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=lelio@uoguelph.ca
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">Lelio Fulgenzi</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:53
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [cisco-voip] CCM Upgrade - Best
Practices</DIV>
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<DIV>Well that is frightening possibility - hence my question!</DIV>
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<DIV>The CCM service could be set to disable via the Services window in WIN2K
or I think by using the Service Activation window in Call Manager
Serviceability.</DIV>
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<DIV> I am trying to come up with the least service effecting procedure
for CCM patching and upgrades since we just moved several 24x7 business
critical groups over to IPT.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>>>> "Lelio Fulgenzi" <<A
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</A>> 1/9/2008 8:42 AM
>>><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not sure what you're using to "disable"
CallManager, but we tried this once (perhaps we de-activated?), and all the
service parameters for that subscriber were lost (set to default) and anything
that relied on that subscriber, i.e. call park numbers, callmanager group
entry, etc, was deleted!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It did not make for a fun time.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Lelio
Fulgenzi, B.A.<BR>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph,
Ontario N1G 2W1<BR>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX
(JNHN)<BR>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>“Life expectancy would grow by
leaps and bounds if green vegetables smelled as good as bacon.”<BR>Doug
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class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=SCASPER@mtb.com
href="mailto:SCASPER@mtb.com">STEVEN CASPER</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=rratliff@cisco.com
href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">Ryan Ratliff</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:36
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [cisco-voip] CCM Upgrade - Best
Practices</DIV>
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<DIV>I like the idea of :</DIV>
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<DIV>1.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><FONT
color=#1f497d><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000 size=2>stopping the CM
service on the server to fail everyone over to next
server</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#1f497d>2.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000>disable or set to manual startup the CallManager <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR> service on
the servers</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Does it matter if this is done via CCM Control Center in
Serviceability to stop the CCM service and Service Activation to disable the
CCM service or can these actions be done under Win2k
Services? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Does the Call Manager service need to be running on a server
during an upgrade of the application or the OS?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Steve<BR><BR>>>> "Ryan Ratliff" <<A
href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">rratliff@cisco.com</A>> 10/24/2007 11:44
AM >>><BR>The easiest way to ensure phones don't register to
servers during the <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>upgrade is to disable or set to
manual startup the CallManager <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>service on the servers being
upgraded. That way you can do the <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>upgrade, reboot the server, and
take a look at things before having <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>phones fail back to
it.<BR><BR>-Ryan<BR><BR>On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:53 AM, STEVEN CASPER
wrote:<BR><BR><BR> Looking for some advice for the best way to do Call
Manager <SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>upgrades to
minimize system disruptions. From a recent ES doc:<BR><BR>"You can minimize
call-processing interruptions if you register all <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>devices<BR>to servers that are
running the same version of Cisco CallManager <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>during the<BR>entire upgrade
process; i.e., you register all devices to the backup <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Cisco<BR>CallManager servers or
the primary Cisco CallManager servers, but not to<BR>both types of
servers."<BR><BR> I understand what the ES doc is saying what I am not
sure about is <SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>the
best practice to ensure that all devices stay registered on the <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>backup or primary servers
during the upgrade. Should you manipulate <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>your Call Manager groups during
the upgrade?<BR><BR> For instance all of our devices are registered to
Subscribers A, B, <SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>C,
& D. We have two back up subscribers X & Y. Do we:<BR><BR>1. Upgrade
the Publisher.<BR>2. Upgrade X & Y<BR>3. Change our Call Manager Groups
so X & Y subs are the primary.<BR>4. Reset all devices so they
re-register to X & Y.<BR>5. Upgrade A, B, C, & D.<BR>6. Change Call
Manager groups so A, B, C, & D are primary again.<BR>7. Reset
devices.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR>Steve Casper<BR>Voice
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