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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think there should be a new support level
introduced. Something that allows a customer to run a version for a longer
period of time, knowing the limitations with that. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think security updates and bugs that cause the
system to crash or whatever should be included, and of course support from the
TAC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think anyone would expect feature updates
etc for 15 year old code, but it should still continue to work.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=cmstaffin@gmail.com href="mailto:cmstaffin@gmail.com">Craig
Staffin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rratliff@cisco.com
href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">Ryan Ratliff</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=lelio@uoguelph.ca
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">Lelio Fulgenzi</A> ; <A
title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">Cisco VoIPoE List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:04
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cisco-voip] Fw: End-of-Sale
Announcement for Cisco Unified Communications Manager Version 5.0</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Ryan,<BR><BR>Although I do agree with the support side it is
really hard to tell a customer who has been on an Avaya PBX for 15 to 20 years
that they need to upgrade in 4-5 because it is no longer supported.
Normally that does not turn into a very fun meeting. <BR><BR>Just my
.02<BR>Craig<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Jan 10, 2008 8:32 AM, Ryan Ratliff <<A
href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">rratliff@cisco.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>If you look at the release schedule we've got for CUCM 4-5 years is
forever. Not that I think you'll see an EOL announcement for 5.1 any
time soon but we have to get these out now so that we can stop supporting
them down the road. It's just part of the product's life cycle
and I for one am ecstatic that they (the business unit that owns
CUCM) are doing it right now. For a long time we were supporting
everything 3.0 and later which was a nightmare.
<DIV><BR>
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style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"
face=Helvetica size=3>-Ryan</FONT></P></DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On Jan 10, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:</DIV><BR><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Will the .1 versions have a bit more life out
of them? Granted 5 was the first foree into the linux world, but with 6 and
7 they should be stable enough to be maintained for a relatively long period
no? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228)"><B>From:</B><SPAN> </SPAN><A
title=rratliff@cisco.com href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com"
target=_blank>Ryan Ratliff</A></DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN><A title=cmstaffin@gmail.com
href="mailto:cmstaffin@gmail.com" target=_blank> Craig Staffin</A></DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B><SPAN> </SPAN><A title=lelio@uoguelph.ca
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target=_blank>Lelio
Fulgenzi</A><SPAN> </SPAN>;<SPAN> </SPAN><A
title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"
target=_blank> Cisco VoIPoE List</A></DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:10
AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re: [cisco-voip] Fw: End-of-Sale
Announcement for Cisco Unified Communications Manager Version 5.0</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I can't imagine anyone still running 5.0 in production
today, much less 4 years from now.
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face=Helvetica
size=3>-Ryan</FONT></DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Craig Staffin wrote:</DIV><BR>Yeah
definatly a little surprised<BR><BR>Although 5 was not the most stable
version so my guess is that they are pushing people to upgrade to 5.1 or 6
so that they are on a more stable platform <BR><BR>Craig<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Jan 9, 2008 6:56 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<A
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target=_blank>lelio@uoguelph.ca</A>>
wrote:<BR>
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anyone else surprised by this EOL announcement? It sounded like
they<BR>EOL'ed 4.1 b/c of Windows 2000, so I was under the impression
that with the<BR>linux platform they wouldn't have to EOL these things
so quickly. <SPAN> </SPAN><BR><BR>Granted, everyone is "saying"
that upgrades are going to be easier, but<BR>there are still some
wrinkles to iron out from the sounds of it. And really,<BR>only three
and a half years away from the EOL announcement the product
<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>becomes end of support? According to the doc, v5
was released in March 17,<BR>2006 - but really - who's gonna install it
within a year on a production<BR>network? so really, you only get 4
years out of it and you are forced to
<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>upgrade.<BR><BR>I'm not sure I'm buying into this
practice.<BR><BR>I think you should be able to run a telephone system
for longer than 3 -4<BR>years without being forced to upgrade.<BR><BR>my
two cents.
<BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Lelio
Fulgenzi, B.A.<BR>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph,
Ontario N1G 2W1<BR>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<BR>"Life
expectancy would grow by leaps and bounds if green vegetables
smelled<BR>as good as bacon."<BR>Doug Larson<BR><BR><BR>----- Original
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Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:44 PM<BR>Subject: End-of-Sale Announcement
for Cisco Unified Communications Manager <BR>Version 5.0<BR><BR><BR>>
Message Type : End-of-sales/ End-of-life
announcement<BR>><SPAN> </SPAN><BR>> Cisco announces the
end-of-sale date for Cisco Unified Communications<BR>> Manager
Version 5.0.<BR>> The last day to order the affected product(s) is
June 30, 2008. Customers <BR>> with active service<BR>> contracts
will continue to receive support from the Cisco Technical<BR>>
Assistance Center (TAC) as<BR>> shown in Table 1 of the EoL
bulletin.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> For more
details, refer to:<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>><SPAN> </SPAN><A
href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps556/prod_eol_notice0900aecd807329a8.html"
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