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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ditto.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=svoll.voip@gmail.com href="mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com">Scott
Voll</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=wsisk@cisco.com
href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com">Wes Sisk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=lelio@uoguelph.ca
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">Lelio Fulgenzi</A> ; <A
title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">Cisco VoIPoE List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cisco-voip] Fw: End-of-Sale
Announcement for Cisco Unified Communications Manager Version 5.0</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>My issue isn't just the software...... but he investment in phones.
old PBX = 20 yrs of phone life. VoIP = 5-7 based on EoS/EoL
announcements if you don't have hookswitch problems before that.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>$0.02</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Scott<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Jan 10, 2008 8:41 AM, Wes Sisk <<A
href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com">wsisk@cisco.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Lelio et all,<BR><BR>Please let your
Cisco account managers know your feelings on this matter and clearly
identify your need for 'long term support' INCLUDING BUG FIXES. Please
make this clear to the Cisco Product Managers the next time you interact
with them. The meetings with Product Managers at CIPTUG were very
calm/quiet. <BR><BR>Currently CM5.1(4) has been canceled so there will
likely not be any additional CM 5.1 releases. CM5.1(3) engineering
specials are still being produced for now. In fact there is currently
no process to notify customers when ES are no longer being produced.
You will simply call into TAC one day for a fix and get either 'no' or
'upgrade to the next major version'. Because the PM's have not heard
demand for this from you, our customers, they do not believe it to be a
problem. <BR><BR>/Wes<BR><BR>Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think there should be a new support level
introduced. Something that allows a customer to run a version for a longer
period of time, knowing the limitations with that. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think security updates and bugs that cause
the system to crash or whatever should be included, and of course support
from the TAC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think anyone would expect feature
updates etc for 15 year old code, but it should still continue to
work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A title=cmstaffin@gmail.com href="mailto:cmstaffin@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Craig Staffin </A></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=rratliff@cisco.com href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com"
target=_blank>Ryan Ratliff</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Cc:</B>
<A title=lelio@uoguelph.ca href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"
target=_blank>Lelio Fulgenzi</A> ; <A title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target=_blank>Cisco VoIPoE
List</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [cisco-voip] Fw: End-of-Sale Announcement for Cisco Unified
Communications Manager Version 5.0</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Ryan,<BR><BR>Although I do agree with the support side it
is really hard to tell a customer who has been on an Avaya PBX for 15 to
20 years that they need to upgrade in 4-5 because it is no longer
supported. Normally that does not turn into a very fun meeting.
<BR><BR>Just my .02<BR>Craig<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Jan 10, 2008 8:32 AM, Ryan Ratliff <<A
href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com"
target=_blank>rratliff@cisco.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>If you look at the release schedule we've got for CUCM 4-5 years
is forever. Not that I think you'll see an EOL announcement for
5.1 any time soon but we have to get these out now so that we can stop
supporting them down the road. It's just part of the
product's life cycle and I for one am ecstatic that they
(the business unit that owns CUCM) are doing it right now. For
a long time we were supporting everything 3.0 and later which was a
nightmare.
<DIV><BR>
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style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"
face=Helvetica size=3>-Ryan</FONT></P></DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On Jan 10, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:</DIV><BR><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Will the .1 versions have a bit more life
out of them? Granted 5 was the first foree into the linux world, but
with 6 and 7 they should be stable enough to be maintained for a
relatively long period no? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228)"><B>From:</B><SPAN> </SPAN><A
title=rratliff@cisco.com href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com"
target=_blank>Ryan Ratliff</A></DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B><SPAN> </SPAN><A title=cmstaffin@gmail.com
href="mailto:cmstaffin@gmail.com" target=_blank> Craig
Staffin</A></DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B><SPAN> </SPAN><A title=lelio@uoguelph.ca
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target=_blank>Lelio
Fulgenzi</A><SPAN> </SPAN>;<SPAN> </SPAN><A
title=cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target=_blank> Cisco VoIPoE
List</A></DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:10
AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B><SPAN> </SPAN>Re: [cisco-voip] Fw:
End-of-Sale Announcement for Cisco Unified Communications Manager
Version 5.0</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I can't imagine anyone still running 5.0 in
production today, much less 4 years from now.
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT face=Helvetica
size=3>-Ryan</FONT></DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Craig Staffin wrote:</DIV><BR>Yeah
definatly a little surprised<BR><BR>Although 5 was not the most
stable version so my guess is that they are pushing people to
upgrade to 5.1 or 6 so that they are on a more stable platform
<BR><BR>Craig<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Jan 9, 2008 6:56 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<A
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"
target=_blank>lelio@uoguelph.ca</A>> wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Is
anyone else surprised by this EOL announcement? It sounded like
they<BR>EOL'ed 4.1 b/c of Windows 2000, so I was under the
impression that with the <BR>linux platform they wouldn't have to
EOL these things so quickly. <SPAN> </SPAN><BR><BR>Granted,
everyone is "saying" that upgrades are going to be easier,
but<BR>there are still some wrinkles to iron out from the sounds
of it. And really, <BR>only three and a half years away from the
EOL announcement the product <SPAN> </SPAN><BR>becomes end of
support? According to the doc, v5 was released in March
17,<BR>2006 - but really - who's gonna install it within a year on
a production <BR>network? so really, you only get 4 years out of
it and you are forced to
<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>upgrade.<BR><BR>I'm not sure I'm buying
into this practice.<BR><BR>I think you should be able to run a
telephone system for longer than 3 -4 <BR>years without being
forced to upgrade.<BR><BR>my two cents.
<BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Lelio
Fulgenzi, B.A.<BR>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph *
Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 <BR>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060
FAX (JNHN)
<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<BR>"Life
expectancy would grow by leaps and bounds if green vegetables
smelled <BR>as good as bacon."<BR>Doug Larson<BR><BR><BR>-----
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Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:44 PM<BR>Subject: End-of-Sale
Announcement for Cisco Unified Communications Manager <BR>Version
5.0<BR><BR><BR>> Message Type : End-of-sales/ End-of-life
announcement<BR>><SPAN> </SPAN><BR>> Cisco announces
the end-of-sale date for Cisco Unified Communications<BR>>
Manager Version 5.0.<BR>> The last day to order the affected
product(s) is June 30, 2008. Customers <BR>> with active
service<BR>> contracts will continue to receive support from
the Cisco Technical<BR>> Assistance Center (TAC) as<BR>>
shown in Table 1 of the EoL
bulletin.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> For more
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