<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">So doesn Enterprise need to be upgraded
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [cisco-voip] Moving / Upgrading
4.1(3) to CallManager 6.0 ?</font></table>
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<br><font size=2><tt>Every single IPCC (enterprise) environment I work
with runs a dedicated <br>
CallManager cluster.<br>
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A very small handful of my larger IPCCx environments are on dedicated <br>
clusters, but they are few and far between.<br>
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-matt<br>
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Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:<br>
> How many out there have actually installed a new cluster for the IPCCx
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> installation so they don't have to go through the upgrades each time
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> they upgrade callmanager?<br>
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> <br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> *From:* Scott Voll <mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com><br>
> *To:* d4rk f1br <mailto:d4rkf1ber@gmail.com><br>
> *Cc:* cisco-voip@puck.nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:47 PM<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Moving / Upgrading 4.1(3)
to CallManager<br>
> 6.0 ?<br>
> <br>
> you have to upgrade IPCC at the same time as CM. see
if you can get<br>
> one more server out of the budget. ;-)<br>
> <br>
> Unity is just the TSP update.<br>
> <br>
> you should be OK with the licensing so long as you do
a DMA out of<br>
> CM 4.1 then do the import. this will convert your
current phones /<br>
> licensing over.<br>
> <br>
> if you like what you have... you may wait for CM 7.x.
last I heard<br>
> is that it will be OS independant. Meaning you
can run windows or<br>
> appliance.<br>
> <br>
> I find most of my info out at CIPTUG. Take with
the CM BU (Wade)<br>
> and I aslo told him that the IPCC upgrade with every
CM upgrade is a<br>
> problem. He seem to think a Version +1 should
be a viable option<br>
> but didn't know when they will get to it. Not in CM
6.x maybe 7.x.<br>
> <br>
> we also talked about how fast the new versions are coming
out. <br>
> Cisco is going to slow the releases. Currently
they have been<br>
> running new Version every 12 months and a minor 6
months after. <br>
> they are going to change that to 18 months and 9 months.
he heard<br>
> our biggest issue is keeping the versions that are coming
out stable.<br>
> <br>
> Based on the feed back at CIPTUG most users are waiting
for CM 6.1<br>
> for there upgrade. only CM 5.x installs were new
installs.<br>
> <br>
> Hope that helps.<br>
> Scott<br>
> <br>
> On Jan 30, 2008 12:27 PM, d4rk f1br <d4rkf1ber@gmail.com<br>
> <mailto:d4rkf1ber@gmail.com>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Starting to 'look' at what all is involved
with moving or<br>
> upgrading to CM 6.0. Currently running
CM 4.1(3) on two older<br>
> MCS servers, just a publisher and subscriber.
If the budget<br>
> allows I am hoping to actually purchase
new hardware for this<br>
> and possibly run both versions in parrallel
for testing and what<br>
> not.<br>
> <br>
> Couple of things though I am concerned
with is that I seem to<br>
> recall hearing something about licensing
on 6.0 for phones? <br>
> Apparently Cisco has introduced some new
licensing stuff with<br>
> 6.0 that reminded me of unity licensing
in a way.<br>
> <br>
> I suspect that by moving to 6.0 I would
also have to look into<br>
> Unity and IPCCX compatibility issues and
the best way to address<br>
> dealing with all things at once. If
CM 6.0 requires IPCCX 6.0<br>
> and Unity ? well thats a pretty big deal
and really makes<br>
> upgrading a huge pain in the arse obviously.
Its often<br>
> difficult enough to upgrade one thing
and deal with those<br>
> repercussions for a while, but to have
to do all together well<br>
> thats just gonna suck. :-)<br>
> <br>
> To me upgrading to 6.0 is really not something
I believe is<br>
> worthwhile as I don't see what we are
really going to gain from<br>
> it. However I am a tad concerned
about letting things age you<br>
> know, both hardware and software. I
do see some possible<br>
> benefits and features in some of the newer
versions of either<br>
> IPCCX and Unity, but those typically say
you need your<br>
> CallManager to be a new version. So
as long as I stay humming<br>
> along with 4.x, which in itself may be
sufficient I can't<br>
> leverage some new feature I see available
in one of the other<br>
> products.<br>
> <br>
> And finally I guess I would have to ask
does anyone know the<br>
> latest news on 7.0 ? I have heard
and read about release dates<br>
> in early 2009, but obviously nothing is
concrete of course. It<br>
> does however leave the person like me
wondering what to do of<br>
> course. Even if I were to dedicate
myself to saying yes I am<br>
> going to move to 6.0 this year, well it
would like not happen to<br>
> Q3 or Q4 at which time we may very well
be hearing about actual<br>
> 7.0 release dates being only months away.<br>
> <br>
> Its sad that things have become what they
are if you ask me. So<br>
> many versions in so a relatively short
time. Whats worst is the<br>
> people on the fringes of things, the people
who happen to hear<br>
> about this release or that and so they
question why we are "so<br>
> far behind" on our callmanager versions,
or who hear about an<br>
> upcoming callmanager release and wonder
when will we move to<br>
> this or that. Its gotten to be about
as bad as trying to keep<br>
> up with Windows versions almost. Never
thought the phone system<br>
> would become like this. Is it the
price you pay for<br>
> innovation? And is there really
all that much innovation to<br>
> warrant it? Who knows..<br>
> <br>
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