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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I guess Dial Patterns are Kind of Choose your own flavor kind of
deal. Just like some people Do CTI ports instead of route points or
translations instead of Dial patterns for blocking calls. The result is the
same.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The thing with Route filters is that in my experience it is
easier to overlook something while working with Route Filters, especially when
you have several AND/NOT statements in one filter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But as with the Auto industry Your Mileage may Vary ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jorge<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jorge L. Rodriguez Aguila; Daniel Rodriguez;
CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Interdigit Timeout on Translation<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
hear what you are saying and I was on the fence about this one for a while, but
am totally converted. I don't think I would ever create PSTN route patterns
without the @ macro nor would I recommend going without it. There are
definately two schools of thought here and after speaking with a number of
senior Cisco techs who have been around for a while I couldn't see a reason not
to proceed with not using it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There's
a certain magic involved in creating route patterns without the 9.@ and while
I'm game for anything, I really have to worry about building a system that I
can easily transfer ownership to and/or allow others to troubleshoot easily.
Route filters are very easy to read and now that we are proceeding with
toll-bypass, ahem , I mean tail end hop off, route filters are invaluable. I
can imagine doing what I'm doing without them. Actually, I did - it wasn't fun.
;)</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Nothing
is perfect, however, and as you mention below, I am stuck with the 1024
character limit. I created a quick little spreadsheet that allows me to build and
maintain my route filters rather easily and keeps count of the number of
characters in each clause.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>And
I don't buy for a second the &quot;all your route patterns are easily
visible&quot; - the frame layout of search results is horrible - 75% of the
real estate used up for white space. grrrrr</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <br>
&quot;Bad grammar makes me [sic]&quot; - Tshirt<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jorge.rodriguez@netxar.com"
title="jorge.rodriguez@netxar.com">Jorge L. Rodriguez Aguila</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" title="lelio@uoguelph.ca">Lelio Fulgenzi</a> ; <a
href="mailto:drodriguez@fidelus.com" title="drodriguez@fidelus.com">Daniel
Rodriguez</a> ; <a href="mailto:CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com"
title="CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com">CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net"
title="cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" title="cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, March 18,
2008 5:52 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> RE: [cisco-voip]
Interdigit Timeout on Translation<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Although you Can use 9.@, you have to be very careful with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Here are some recommendations from SRND for the 9.@<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=pbu1bullet1><span lang=EN-US>&#8226;</span><img border=0 width=19
height=2 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.png@01C8892F.3A1B6040"
alt="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/i/templates/blank.gif"><span lang=EN-US>The @
wildcard can be practical in several small and medium deployments, but it can
become harder to manage and troubleshoot in large deployments because adopting
the @ wildcard forces the administrator to use route filters to block certain
patterns (see </span><a
href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/srnd/6x/dialplan.html#wp1044192"><span
lang=EN-US>Route Filters</span></a><span lang=EN-US>). <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=pblblocklabel><a name=wp1044192></a><a name=wpxref23619></a><a
name=wpmkr1044191></a><span lang=EN-US>Route Filters <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=pbu1bullet1><a name=wp1044193></a><span lang=EN-US>&#8226;</span><img
border=0 width=19 height=2 id="Picture_x0020_3"
src="cid:image001.png@01C8892F.3A1B6040"
alt="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/i/templates/blank.gif"><span lang=EN-US>Use
route filters only with the @ route pattern to reduce the number of route
patterns created by the @ wildcard. A route filter applied to a pattern not
containing the @ wildcard has no effect on the resulting dial plan. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=pbu1bullet1><a name=wp1044194></a><span lang=EN-US>&#8226;</span><img
border=0 width=19 height=2 id="Picture_x0020_4"
src="cid:image001.png@01C8892F.3A1B6040"
alt="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/i/templates/blank.gif"><span lang=EN-US>The
logical expression you enter with the route filter can be up to 1024
characters, excluding the NOT-SELECTED fields. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=pbu1bullet1><a name=wp1044195></a><span lang=EN-US>&#8226;</span><img
border=0 width=19 height=2 id="Picture_x0020_5"
src="cid:image001.png@01C8892F.3A1B6040"
alt="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/i/templates/blank.gif"><span lang=EN-US>As you
increase the number of logical clauses in a route filter, the refresh time of
the configuration page also increases and can become unacceptably long. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=pbu1bullet1><a name=wp1044196></a><span lang=EN-US>&#8226;</span><img
border=0 width=19 height=2 id="Picture_x0020_6"
src="cid:image001.png@01C8892F.3A1B6040"
alt="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/i/templates/blank.gif"><span lang=EN-US>For large-scale
deployments, use explicit route patterns rather than the @ wildcard and route
filters. This practice also facilitates management and troubleshooting because
all patterns configured in Unified&nbsp;CM are easily visible from the Route
Pattern configuration page. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jorge Rodríguez Aguila<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniel Rodriguez; CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Interdigit Timeout on Translation<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We
have international route patterns (using route filters) and we can dial the
octothorpe (mmmmmmmm, octothorpe) to bypass interdigit timeout and we do not
have the octothorpe&nbsp;in the route pattern. We have 9.@ - I think this is
another advantage to using @ patterns it recognizes end of dialing pattern as a
possibility.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Lelio<br>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <br>
Java-Clavis-Domus Theorem: The ability to keep your hands on the home keys is
inversely<br>
related to the amount of caffeine ingested in the last 30 minutes. </span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com"
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:drodriguez@fidelus.com" title="drodriguez@fidelus.com">Daniel
Rodriguez</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net"
title="cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" title="cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, March 18,
2008 3:09 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [cisco-voip]
Interdigit Timeout on Translation<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So I added the
octothorpe to the end of the international pattern and then to the end of the
translation pattern and that works. &nbsp;Only downside is that now you are
required to hit the &quot;#&quot; at the end of dialing all international
calls. &nbsp;That's probably a good thing, but is a change from what people are
already use to. &nbsp;</span> <br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span> <br>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Carlos</span> <o:p></o:p></p>

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  <span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent by: <a
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How
are you using the octothorpe? Was it inserted at the end of the international
pattern? &nbsp;If at the end of the pattern, CCM should know to stop waiting to
perform digit analysis once its received since you&#8217;ll be matching an
explicit pattern.</span> <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also,
how are you using your translation patterns? I would make sure the called party
transformation isn&#8217;t stripping the #. You want the translated called
party number to match your &nbsp;# international pattern (eg &nbsp;9.011!#).
Speed dial = 3377# </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D'>à</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> TxPattern = 33XX#, Prefix= 9011&lt;number&gt; </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>à</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> RP =
9.011!#</span> <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-daniel</span>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span>
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<b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>CarlosOrtiz@bayviewfinancial.com<b><br>
Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:37 AM<b><br>
To:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<b><br>
Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Interdigit Timeout on Translation</span> <br>
&nbsp; <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
I am setting up some speed dials using translation patterns for International
locations. &nbsp;Is there any way to avoid waiting for the inter digit timeout
at the end of the pattern? &nbsp;I thought you could bypass it with the
&quot;#&quot; but that does not work.</span> <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
Carlos</span><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>_______________________________________________</span></tt><span
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