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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ok just so we are both on the same page
here, this is what I’m trying to achieve. A caller in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Calgary</st1:place></st1:City> from his office dials home which is
local to his office. Ordinarily he would dial 403-555-1234. Instead I would
like to send to the service provider 1-403-555-1234 and have the call routed.
When I do this the carrier instantly recognizes the 1 as an LD code and rejects
the call. If I were to do the same scenario with a Mobile phone it would work
either way I dial because of the roaming nature of a Mobile phone. I was
looking to do this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now back to your point, are you suggesting
that I prefix the same above example with the international prefix to trick the
service provider into routing the call? For example if I dial the same number
prefixed with the NA international code it would work? Ex 011-1-403-555-1234?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> smithsonianwa@gmail.com
[mailto:smithsonianwa@gmail.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of
</span></b>Tim Smith<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:28
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ryan
O'Connell</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> cisco voip<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] PSTN
E.164 call routing</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm not sure if I'm getting the point here! apologies!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Are you saying for your purposes you dont care if it is LD or Local?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>When you say ship out the E164 number, how are you getting this? Are
the users dialling it?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If you use a line + device css you can achieve a very simple route
plan.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You dont need to break it up into local / ld etc for anything other
than your own restriction requirements? Are these simple as well?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>In a really simple approach you could use 1 route pattern per site..
0.! or 9.!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Lower your T302 timer.. away you go.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Add blocking translations to the line to take care of class of service
stuff. i.e. blocking international for some users or whatever you require<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Not saying make all calls LD. But you should be able to dial an E164 number
from anywhere, by prefixing your international access code? Does your telco
accept this?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My personal preference is same as yours.. simplify as much as
possible... then on top of that I'm trying automate the process of adding /
managing the route plan - to reduce errors, speed up changes, and reduce risk
of RSI for myself! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I wrote a script to add route patterns in bulk... I use a CSV, edit it
in excel, then upload the route patterns to CCM.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>In CCM 6 you can actually export CSV of translation patterns, edit the
CSV (and add all your own entries), and then upload them back in quite
easily. I would expect CUCM 7 to extend this and make the route plan even
easier to admin.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Until then but if your environment is large, and management complex,
then you can create scripts / apps to ease the burden.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 7/15/08, <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Ryan O'Connell</span></b></st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:Roconnell@unislumin.com" target="_blank">Roconnell@unislumin.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>That is exactly what I'm trying to achieve is less route plan
entries, and a much cleaner design overall. Back to the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Calgary</st1:place></st1:City> example, area code 403 is shared
between Local calls and Long distance calls, and that is just one of 2 area
codes for this region. If I want to designate which NNX is local vs LD based on
the gateway it is leaving the network from then I would need to write patterns
for each, not only that I would have to keep them current ass NNX's are added
into the NANP. No Thanks. Cleaner would be to ship a fully qualified number out
and let the telco figure it out. So back to my question do you know if this is
possible to achieve? I'm pretty sure this can be done using SIP trunks to the
service provider but not so sure on the traditional side as in PRI circuits.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>I am not sure I am following what you are saying where I
could achieve this by creatively selecting which GW certain area codes exit the
network from, essentially making all calls long distance? Is this what you are
suggesting?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Thoughts</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Ryan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:smithsonianwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">smithsonianwa@gmail.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:smithsonianwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">smithsonianwa@gmail.com</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tim Smith<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:54
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ryan
O'Connell</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> cisco voip<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] PSTN
E.164 call routing</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Ryan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Are you
able to dial the full E164 number by using the international access code? I
would have thought this would work?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This
would usually come down to your dialplan design.. i.e. route a call out a
certain circuit, and make sure that you are sending the digits required on that
circuit so the call can be completed.. this can be different for providers, or
could be different if you throw the call out a remote gateway or something for
example...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>What are
you really trying to achieve? Are you just trying to use less route plan
entries :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tim<br>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On
7/14/08, <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Ryan
O'Connell</span></b></st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:Roconnell@unislumin.com" target="_blank">Roconnell@unislumin.com</a>>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Does
anyone know if service providers have any present day capabilities or future
plans to pass full e.164 numbers. For example we want to pass full numbers to
the PSTN whether they are local or long distance and let the carrier figure it
out very similar to how it works on the Mobil networks. So today if we are in <st1:City
w:st="on">Calgary</st1:City> and we want to dial another <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Calgary</st1:place></st1:City> number we must dial 4031234567, if we
dial the same number with a leading 1 then the call gets rejected. Is there any
means to make it like it is on the mobile network where if the same number is
dialed with the 1 so 14031234567, while in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Calgary</st1:place></st1:City>, and the call gets passed? I know
with the introduction to SIP trunking services they would have to take both the
10 digit local number and the 11 digit equivalent and route it accordingly
because the point of entry into the PSTN cloud may not necessarily be local. If
this is the case I wonder if it's possible with TDM circuits as well?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thoughts?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Ryan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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