<div dir="ltr">Just wanted to drop this link as I didn't see anyone mention it yet. Feature by feature comparison of Unity, UC, and CUE:<br><br><a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6789/ps5745/ps2237/product_data_sheet0900aecd806bfc37_ps6509_Products_Data_Sheet.html">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6789/ps5745/ps2237/product_data_sheet0900aecd806bfc37_ps6509_Products_Data_Sheet.html</a><br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Matthew Saskin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@saskin.net">matt@saskin.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
What does that get you though? A unity pair in one location is still a single point of failure if it serves users outside of that location.<br>
<br>
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Yes, but I can install failover pairs in cities around the world to the same Unity organization... with no theoretical limit on maximum size.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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All the various tools for CUC 2.x are built into the RTMT. Yes, you<br>
use the same RTMT to connect to CUC and CallManager.<br>
<br>
Also in reference to an earlier post, you can't officially split<br>
Unity FO pairs between multiple data centers. Last I looked at the<br>
SRND they need 100mbps lan between the boxes. That said, I've done<br>
it with very mixed results in the past.<br>
<br>
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*Jonathan Charles<br>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:51 AM<br>
*To:* Tim Smith<br>
*Cc:* JASON BURWELL; Cisco VoIP<br>
*Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection<br>
and Unity<br>
<br>
To be honest, all this being said, I would much rather<br>
deploy/manage Unity than UC...<br>
<br>
First off, no real tools in UC to diagnose a problem (no call<br>
viewer, no port status monitor...) and it has that silly<br>
SFTP-only backup solution.<br>
<br>
Also, it seems childish... this may be mystique, but when I see<br>
CUC on a site, I assume they were too cheap to buy Unity...<br>
<br>
However, for VM-only it is a decent idea... doesn't make much<br>
sense to buy full-blown Unity, with Windows 2003, Exchange and<br>
SQL licensing, just to give voicemail to 100 users.<br>
<br>
To be honest, I really don't deal with small customers that<br>
would think CUC would be a solution... the one time I did do a<br>
CUC install, the customer bought IMAP licenses (so it was the<br>
same price as Unity) and they complained constantly about how<br>
awful IMAP was...<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
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On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:thsglobal@gmail.com" target="_blank">thsglobal@gmail.com</a><br></div>
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<br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:thsglobal@gmail.com" target="_blank">thsglobal@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
No resilience in Unity Connection (currently) - heard rumours it<br>
should be there in version 7.<br>
<br>
No networking in Unity Connection (again currently) - so it is<br>
stand alone.<br>
<br>
Unity can support Domino as a message store in both VM or UM -<br>
done this a couple of times, and I hate it.. just quietly :)<br>
<br>
Unity is more scalable.. as already mentioned.<br>
<br>
UC is voicemail in a box.. quick and easy to setup and manage..<br>
no Microsoft skills required anymore..<br>
<br>
Simple voice mail, and you are under the right number of users<br>
(and you can live with no resilience for now) - then UC is a<br>
good choice. The appliance model is great. It also has some of<br>
the advanced features that some of your users may require. I<br>
think someone already mentioned there is some cool integration<br>
with Exchange calendars and personal call routing rules.<br>
<br>
Unity is an "adventure" to setup and manage :) and will usually<br>
require Microsoft integration skills as well..<br>
<br>
Unity has lots of flexibility for deployment options to consider<br>
also..<br>
<br>
If you have a large complex deployment, sure you could end up<br>
with multiple UC servers. But more likely you would look at full<br>
Unity, and run failover pairs split across 2 x data centers..<br>
<br>
And of course if you want voicemail, email and faxes to all<br>
co-exist in 1 big mailbox for each user.. then you have no<br>
choice.. Unity all the way.<br>
<br>
If you do talk Unity to a customer, you need to discuss<br>
thoroughly the possible impact and integration with their<br>
existing network..<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Tim<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:JASON.BURWELL@foundersfcu.com" target="_blank">JASON.BURWELL@foundersfcu.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
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*Table 4.* Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging Products<br>
<br>
*Product*<br>
<br>
<br>
*Number of Users*<br>
<br>
<br>
*E-Mail Integration Options*<br>
<br>
<br>
*Networking to Other Voicemail Systems*<br>
<br>
<br>
*Integration with Third-Party Call Processing*<br>
<br>
<br>
*Speech Recognition*<br>
<br>
Cisco Unity Express<br>
<br>
<br>
Up to 250<br>
<br>
<br>
Integrated<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes, with Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging products<br>
<br>
<br>
No<br>
<br>
<br>
No<br>
<br>
Cisco Unity Connection<br>
<br>
<br>
Up to 7500<br>
<br>
<br>
Integrated<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes, with Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging products<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes, with most traditional and IP private branch exchanges (PBXs)<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes<br>
<br>
Cisco Unity Unified Messaging<br>
<br>
<br>
7500 per server, networked to 250,000<br>
<br>
<br>
Integrated and Unified Messaging (Microsoft Exchange, Lotus<br>
Notes,<br>
or Novell GroupWise)<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes, with Voice Profile for Internet Mail (VPIM), Audio Messaging<br>
Interchange Specification (AMIS), Cisco Unity Bridge, etc.<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes, with most traditional and IP PBXs<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes<br>
<br>
Found at this link<br>
<a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6788/vcallcon/ps556/product_data_sheet0900aecd80410ad6_ps6509_Products_Data_Sheet.html" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6788/vcallcon/ps556/product_data_sheet0900aecd80410ad6_ps6509_Products_Data_Sheet.html</a><br>
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*Sent:* Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:20 PM<br>
*To:* cisco voip<br>
*Subject:* [cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection<br>
and Unity<br>
<br>
<br>
I have always tried to understand what is the difference between<br>
Unity Connection and Unity and when to sell Unity and Unity<br>
Connection . Looking for differences in architecture of these<br>
applications and how they work with Exchange.<br>
<br>
<br>
TIA<br>
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