<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Matt,<br><br>That sounds very much like one of those trial by fire installs. How long did it take for you to get all of the kinks out?<br><br>Paul<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Matt Slaga (US) <Matt.Slaga@us.didata.com><br>To: Paul <asobihoudai@yahoo.com>; William Roy <William.Roy@l7.com.au>; FrogOnDSCP46EF <ciscoboy2006@gmail.com><br>Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:42:03 AM<br>Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Communication server 2007 vs Unity<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We have this currently deployed internally as well as deploying
this for customers around the globe. It is a hot topic among almost every
vertical. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Microsoft has a lot of documentation on the OCS side, and Cisco
has documented their side pretty well also. But there are still many ‘undocumented
features’ on both sides of the fence that only experience can help wade
through.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Installing OCS and connecting is pretty tedious, but in all
things considered it is the easy part. The hard part is cleaning up AD and
getting all the user information correct. If information is wrong in AD, it
will make the tool useless.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);">Thanks!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);">Matt Slaga<br>
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</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lori.morgan@us.didata.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:lori.morgan@us.didata.com"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(23, 54, 93); text-decoration: none;"><img id="Picture_x0020_2" alt="http://www.greyconvergence.com/GCTools/CreateSig/icon-email.gif" border="0" height="16" width="16"></span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:matt.slaga@us.didata.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:matt.slaga@us.didata.com"><span style="color: rgb(23, 54, 93);">matt.slaga@us.didata.com</span></a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Paul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> William Roy; FrogOnDSCP46EF<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Communication server 2007 vs Unity</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Will,<br>
<br>
Do you you happen to have any handy comprehensive documentation on this
integration? I think that these types of deployments will be more and more
common in the future.<br>
<br>
Paul</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>
From: William Roy <William.Roy@l7.com.au><br>
To: FrogOnDSCP46EF <ciscoboy2006@gmail.com><br>
Cc: "cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:11:57 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Communication server 2007 vs Unity</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We have both Exchange 2007 and OCS running in our office with
CUCM 6.1 and CUPS 6.0</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The exchange side of things works well and we use it for both UM
and also the speech auto attendant. The speech auto attendant has helped reduce
the number of internal calls being made to our receptionist to transfer to
other people within the organization. Now we can yell at a robot lady and she
connects us through.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We don’t miss not having MWI, as your VM are delivered to our
Outlook mailboxs – we have normally seen the VM before we have even seen our
physical phone to see a red lamp. This is especially true if we are not in the
office but have mail access.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We have also setup OCS and use the Microsoft Office Communicator
client (MOC) for remote call control of Cisco IP phones and for presence status
of users. Initially OCS was a bit of a pain to setup as it does require setting
AD attributes for users and there is a Microsoft thing called normalization
rules which mutates dial plans sort of like translation patterns along with OCS
loving a + sign in telephony number fields. However there are some good
integration guides about that help sort out all the issues. MOC is great for
click to dial both to other users in your organization plus contacts that you
have setup in Outlook.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Lucky for me Iwork for an integrator that has a strong Microsoft
team who handled all of the Microsoft side of things, so basically all I had to
do on the Cisco side was setup SIP trunks and presence enable users
within CUCM and CUPS.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Regards Wil</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Tim Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 21 August 2008 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FrogOnDSCP46EF<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net; Matt Slaga (US)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Communication server 2007 vs Unity</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Frog...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are 2 different products we are talking about
here...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">OCS = sort of CallManager + presence replacement</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">MS Exch 2007 = sort of Unity UM replacement</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Then for the voice mail side you have Exchange 2007.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Provides all the normal exchange email messaging, plus adds
unified messaging. So you can use it for voicemail as well.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As one of the other guys said. MWI requires 3rd party piece
of software currently.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So I'd say they have some work to do still, but I think it
would be worth a look where you really want Unified Messaging.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I started to install OCS to check it out, but got bored with
all the AD crap that it was reliant on.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tim</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmailquote">On 8/21/08, <b>FrogOnDSCP46EF</b> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ciscoboy2006@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ciscoboy2006@gmail.com">ciscoboy2006@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">That means, Microsoft is still
with cRAP.<br>
I am going to download the trial verison of OCS and then see what it has and
post it on my blog<br>
<br>
Anybody else have done some work on OCS?<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
<br>
frog</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Matt Slaga (US) <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Matt.Slaga@us.didata.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Matt.Slaga@us.didata.com">Matt.Slaga@us.didata.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Exchange 2007 has UM
functionality, however you will require a third party server to provide MWI.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);">Thanks!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);">Matt Slaga<br>
<b>Error! Filename not specified.</b> +1-571-203-4132<br>
</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lori.morgan@us.didata.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:lori.morgan@us.didata.com"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(23, 54, 93); text-decoration: none;">Error! Filename not
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<b>Error! Filename not specified.</b> matt.slaga@us.didata.com</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>FrogOnDSCP46EF<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:54 AM </span></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Microsoft Communication server 2007 vs Unity</span></p>
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<p>Guys,</p>
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I have no** experience with MCS2007, but a friend tells me that MCS2007 could
be an alternate to Cisco Unity.<br>
Gives you facility to deliver the VM to outlook. <br>
what about Call handler, greetings, and all other cisco unity functions?<br>
<br>
Is MCS2007 a complete replacement of Cisco unity?<br>
<br>
Any comments on this appreciated.<br>
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Smile, you'll save someone else's day!<br>
Frog</p>
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