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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>NEC will only ever dial 4 digit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cisco may dial either 4 or 5 for either a NEC phone or another
Cisco phone. Both the 4 and 5 digits are based on the last digits of the DID
number. An example of Cisco extension is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>66005 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>An NEC phone will dial 6005 a Cisco phone could potentially dial
either 66005 or 6005.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There are access codes in place – however as the users are
so entrenched in dialling 4 digits they won’t always be used. The
migration from the NEC is going to be gradual and over many months. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This might sound crazy but is there any way for CUCM server to
point a SIP trunk at itself, then send a 4 digit route pattern out it and
translate it to 5 digits inbound?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Wil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> smithsonianwa@gmail.com
[mailto:smithsonianwa@gmail.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 August 2008 5:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> William Roy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Urgent Priority on Translation Patterns<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Wil,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Dummy probably wont help here.. I was thinking more for
blocking and class of restriction use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>What number ranges are you using here.. what are the
overlaps?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Are you just adding a digit to existing numbers to make them
5 digits - or is it a new range?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>You want it so that...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>NEC users can dial either 4 or 5 digits?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Cisco users can dial either 4 digits (for NEC extensions) or
5 digits (for cisco)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>You should probably just add an access code to the old 4
digit extensions from Cisco > NEC.. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sure it is a change.. but they are changing anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Depending on overlaps.. temporarily might be able to
use a ! for your route pattern, and reduce Interdigit timer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This should let you match 5 digit extensions on Cisco, or 4
digits on NEC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>It wont let you match 4 digits on Cisco though.. not sure if
you want that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Also depends how long it will be in place..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Tim<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote>On 8/22/08, <b>William Roy</b> <<a
href="mailto:William.Roy@l7.com.au" target="_blank">William.Roy@l7.com.au</a>>
wrote:</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I have thought about a dummy
gateway but was not sure how to implement. What I am trying to achieve is that
we are moving a customer from a 4 digit dial plan to a 5 digit dial plan. The
new system is CUCM 6.1 install with all of the IP phone now using 5
digits and we are integrated with an NEC PBX with an MGCP ISR gateways, the
phones on the NEC are still using 4 digit. On the IP phones we want to be able
to dial either the old 4 digit or the new 5 digit number. What I had setup was
a 4 digit translation that added the 5 digit, then if it matched an IP phone it
rang the IP phone, if it did not match an IP phone extension it sent it on a
route pattern to the MGCP gateway and stripped off the 5 digit. That part
worked for 4 digits dialing however it broke dialing a 5 digit extension of an
IP phone, as some of the leading digits matched both the translation pattern
plus the first digit in the 5 digit extension. So what I have currently setup
is removed the translation, put in a 4 digit route pattern which points
at the MGCP gateway, the call setup gets routed over the NEC and then routed
back to the CUCM cluster if the call is for an IP phone, CUCM translates
the number to a 5 digit number inbound from the gateway. The downside of this
is that we use up two channels on the E1 per call between IP phones when
dialled using 4 digits. Hope the above makes sense.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> So I suppose if possible
I need to setup the following...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>4 digit route pattern to a
dummy gateway, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Called number gets translated
to a 5 digit pattern.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Call gets sent back to the
CUCM, if the extension matches an IP phone extension – ring phone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If the 5 digit number is not an
extension on the CUCM – match a 5 digit route pattern send call to the
MGCP gateway connected to the NEC and strip of 5<sup>th</sup> digit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Wil</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> Tim Smith [mailto:<a
href="mailto:smithsonianwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">smithsonianwa@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 August 2008 4:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> William Roy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Urgent Priority on Translation Patterns</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Translation patterns are always urgent.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>You could possibly use a Route Pattern instead? dummy gateway maybe?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Really depends exactly what you are trying to do<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Tim<br>
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<p>On 8/22/08, <b>William Roy</b> <<a href="mailto:William.Roy@l7.com.au"
target="_blank">William.Roy@l7.com.au</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang=EN-US>Is there anyway that Urgent priority can be turned off on a
translation pattern in CUCM 6.x? The doco suggests that it cannot be.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span lang=EN-US>Wil</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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