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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry to say, I have never had an ATA work reliably for anything
more than an analog phone. Lately I have had good fax/modem success with
SCCP/T38 configuration on VG224s and regular routers with FXS ports.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is a reason Cisco stopped selling ATAs months before the
VG20Xs were released.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Weigand, John V.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Aarons (US); cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Analog modem and faxes?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It actually does register perfectly to CCM, and the analog
phone works perfectly both incoming and outgoing, that’s the really weird
thing. Just the second we plug it into the fax machine, it lights up and
refuses to do anything, with ECM and V.34 disabled (this machine doesn’t
actually have a Super G3 setting)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I did run a prserv log against the ATA while it was hooked
up to the fax, and it just looks like this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>[0]DPKT 1st: 160 0, pt 18<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>[0]StartTone 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>[0]StartTone 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>[0]StartTone 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>|->CallState[0]=1 L=1 R=2a26538 FG=0 r=0,0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>FG NewState[0]=1, L=1, R=2a26538<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>[0]StartTone 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>[0]StartTone 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>[0]StartTone 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>[0]StartTone 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>8:00;2,0,0,0,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>|->OpenRxChn[0]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>[0]StopTone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If we can’t get this working, I think we will wind up going
the VG224 route, rather than the mess of FXS cards we’re currently using in
the existing building.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><strong><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>John
V. Weigand</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Help Desk Support/Executive Support<br>
</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'><br>
Litigation Management, Inc.<br>
300 Allen-Bradley Drive<br>
Suite 200<br>
Mayfield Heights, OH 44124</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Tel:</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'> 440-484-2000</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Fax: 440-484-2009<br>
Cell: <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> Jason Aarons (US) [mailto:jason.aarons@us.didata.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weigand, John V.; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] Analog modem and faxes?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>If you plug an analog phone into the ATA it’s can’t call in/out.
Doesn’t show registered in CCMAdmin. I’d change TAC to focus on
that. Verify your TFTP option 150 and then you might have to look at trace/log
files around the registration with CallManager. You can also sniff the
Ethernet port with Ethereal and see if SCCP packets are going back/forth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>The dsp in the ATA won’t go past 14.4 reliably…..You need to
disable Super G3 and ECM on the fax machine. If you can’t disable them
you may need to replace the fax machine or find another solution other than
ATA-186.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>If you want a better dsp buy the VG224.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Weigand, John
V.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Analog modem and faxes?</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Sorry to resurrect an older thread, but we’ve been trying to
figure out how to handle this going into a new building. We have an ATA 186
we’ve been testing with, turned off ECM and V.34 mode on the fax machine,
but as soon as it’s plugged into the ATA, the red light on the ATA goes on,
never turns off, and it won’t place or receive calls. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>TAC is basically refusing to help since the fax machine by
default runs at 33.6, and they say it just won’t work, period, but that
doesn’t seem quite right to me. Anyone run into a problem like this before?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fuermann, Jason<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 31, 2008 5:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Jonathan Madziarczyk'<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Analog modem and faxes?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We are using VG224’s in SCCP modem pass-through. Most of ours
faxes didn’t require configuring. However, there were a few that we had to turn
ECM off on. We are also using modems (Visa machines primarily) with this
configuration without problems (our ATM’s were temperamental but apparently
they didn’t use standard modems).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 31, 2008 2:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jonathan Madziarczyk<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Analog modem and faxes?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>It's not just the gateways you
have to configure, but the fax machines. Have you turned off SG3 support?
Essentially you have to put their max speed to 14,400 and turn off error
correction. Similar to modems, max speed is 14,000.<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Jonathan Madziarczyk" <JMad@cityofevanston.org><br>
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:21:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: [cisco-voip] Analog modem and faxes?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>So what is everyone doing about analog data devices? I’ve got
a couple of fax machines and modems using VG224 and ATA186 devices and I’m
still having issues with them. I’ve gone through TAC and set up the
adapters and my voice gateways to match their fax/modem recommendations, but I
still have intermittent issues (faxes failing, modems not sending the full
info, etc.)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Modems are still a little fuzzy for me, not sure how best to get
rid of those, as for faxing, I’d like to get off of the analog fax machines all
together, but not sure how to do that yet either…what are you guys using?</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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