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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Just a quick clarification – all I meant to say is that CCVP
(IMHO – and I might be wrong!) is closer to CCIE Voice then CCNP is to
CCIE R&S. (Closer – not close! Also, I might be thinking differently
if I decide to go for CCIE Voice as well! Likely, based on what Ahmed said.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also, Ahmed makes a great point: time management at the lab! It
is not enough to know, you have to DO it in the time provided. For what is
worth, this is what helped me: I set myself a rigid schedule (for R&S): one
hour for settling down, initial reading and lab schema (yes, I used
multicolored pencils), one hour for Layer 2 and ATM, one hour for IGPs, one
hour for IGP redistribution and DDR circuits. After lunch (30 minutes) one hour
for BGP, two hours for various “minor” technologies (read: trick
questions!) that you may or may not have to look up (I do not think anyone
works with, say, IRDP on an everyday basis!), and one hour for the review. However
ridiculous it may look, I do not think I would have passed without adhering to
it. Even more ridiculous – but nevertheless true – is that my biggest
problem when I was sitting for the lab was that I am a fairly fast typist, but
my everyday typing is on MS Natural Keyboards. And, needless to say, Cisco is
not providing those in the lab. There is enough typing for that to make a
difference – and I almost run out of time thanks to the #!@#$ keyboard. (Please
do not laugh!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Finally, about which CCIE one should get: I do not think it
really matters. (It certainly did not matter for me.) Get the one that helps
the most in your work, your company and involves the least effort. (It is
definitely better to be one of three Voice CCIEs than one of 51 R&S ones!) In
defense of “my” R&S, it is the easiest to get, with most CCIEs,
but it also has the broadest scope, job-wise. CCIE Voice is great, IMHO,
because there are not that many CCIEs, and the scope is fairly broad (compared
with, say, Service Provider). I do not think there is much difference between
Security and R&S, difficulty-wise (I cannot speak about Voice or Design
labs). Finally, one can get more than one – if one really wants to stand
out. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ahmed, good luck! I have it from a very good source that people
that get the score of 60 or more on their first attempt have close to 100%
success rate on the next one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nikola<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>-------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nikola Stojsin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>PhD CCIE #12888<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>President<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Network Makers LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:nikolas@networkmakers.com"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>nikolas@networkmakers.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ahmed Elnagar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> svoll.voip@gmail.com; syed.khalid.khursheed@gmail.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> VOIP Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CCIE Voice or CCIE R&S<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <br>
I totally agree with scott, but I want to add something...I did an attempt for
the CCIE voice and I am planning for another one soon...my average score was
60% and all the question in the exam know them very well...nothing was that
difficult for me...my mistake was in two things:<br>
<br>
1- I changed my plan in last moment... changed the order by which I used to
answer the exam question so I needed up while reviewing the exam that I forget
to configure SRST and MOH...and you know the stress in this last hour is too
much that I couldn't tune them as required in the exam question.<br>
<br>
Voice exam is really difficult... maybe as Nikola said it is very similar to
CCVP (I used to say so) but really they do tricks in two many ways that
requires from the candidate to be very familiar with every configuration that
can be done with these devices (and they are not just routers and switches like
the R&S)...so your work in the lab for very long periods is very required.<br>
<br>
Also to add another point...the value of the CCIE R&S is going down
everyday...although still required as the easiest way to achieve partnership
levels with Cisco "Silver and gold" but voice and security tracks are
still very rare...for example here in Egypt I think we have only 2 CCIE voice
although we on Cisco site we should have around 50 CCIEs.<br>
<br>
If you go for voice make sure that you will have enough time to practice and
practice and practice...and you should consider in your plan that it is most
likely not to do the exam from first attempt "although not impossible by
the way"...although consider the new blueprint and the new diffculty in
the exam topics...minor tasks like vlan configuration phone registration are
done for you...advanced IPCC scripting is introduced...presence server
also...the removal of the 6500 switch is not that big as the configuration
tasks requires for this switch was relatively easy.<br>
<br>
Good luck and wish me luck in my second attempt :) .<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks,</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
<span style='color:black'>Ahmed Elnagar</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:12:28 -0800<br>
From: svoll.voip@gmail.com<br>
To: syed.khalid.khursheed@gmail.com<br>
CC: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCIE Voice or CCIE R&S<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I
was headed toward the CCIE Voice. Let me tell you, unless you working on
voice 40 hours a week and in all aspects, CM, CME, Unity, UE, UC, UCCx, SIP,
MGCP, H323, and every aspect of each and are still willing to lock yourself in
a lab for 3 months before taking the test, I would NOT try for the CCIE
Voice. You need to be able to do every command by memory, and know what
can be done last so you never hit the same thing twice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I
believe the average pass on the CCIE Voice is the 3rd attempt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>My
understanding is the R/S is a whole lot easier (if you can call a CCIE exam
Easy ;-). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>On
Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Syed Khalid Ali <<a
href="mailto:syed.khalid.khursheed@gmail.com">syed.khalid.khursheed@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Dear
all,<br>
<br>
I have a data network background and for last 1.5 years I am working<br>
more R&S and Security stuff. However during my course toward CCVP, I<br>
did some projects of IP telephony (specifically CME) as well. I also<br>
inherited a CallManager 4.2 setup as well.<br>
<br>
However, I am not able to decide b/w the two. Should I go for CCIE R&S<br>
or Voice. R&S is easy as compared to Voice in terms of time and<br>
resources and most of the people have attained this title. Whereas the<br>
Voice track although focused on product instead of technologies, the<br>
resources are rare (at-least in my country) and requires more time to<br>
be prepared.<br>
Need suggestions and advice!<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
--<br>
Thanks,<br>
Syed Khalid Ali<br>
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