My .02c - as background I run the Unified Communications practice for a Managed Service Provider.<br><br>The majority of our customers are what would be considered large enterprise (2-5K+ employees) - the majority of our IPT clients have extremely large Cisco IPT/UC environments and do directly employ Voice CCIE's in addition to utilizing our services. I've got a number of customers with 20K+ handsets across multiple cluster globally.<br>
<br>Short answer - there are plenty of enterprise jobs for Voice CCIE's, albeit fewer than enterprise jobs for R&S CCIE's.<br><br>If you're interested in staying up at the "theory" level or working on the service provider side, security may be a slightly better route. Voice IE is most definitely "application first" around Cisco's own IPT/UC applications.<br>
<br>-matt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Mark Holloway <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mh@markholloway.com">mh@markholloway.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
<div><div class="Ih2E3d">
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">1.
Does Service Providers use Cisco device and so do they need CCIE Voice?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
</div><p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Most
of the services providers that use Cisco in their voice network (mine included)
use either PGW, BTS, and/or AS5x00 on the core and ISR's for CPE. Cisco doesn't
have a CCIE Service Provider Voice (boo!). I'm studying for the CCIE
Voice but quite honestly I'm not really enjoying the application side of things
all that much. I enjoy Broadworks much more than UCM although it is a
much tougher platform to get your head around. I guess I like the
challenge.</span></p><div class="Ih2E3d">
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">2.
Does Enterprises have such a big voice setup that they hire CCIE Voice and pay
good?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
</div><p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I
honestly do not know. To really flex your muscles, work for a vendor or a
service provider. I think that is true for R&S too, but obviously
there are good Enterprise jobs in R&S.</span></p><div class="Ih2E3d">
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">3.
If a guy with computer sciences background and having ccie r&s and voice
can compete with people having telecom and voice background.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
</div><p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">YES!
This is why I'm working towards the CCIE Voice. Although I primarily work
with SIP (Acme Packet, Broadworks, Genband, Lucent), there are some elements
from the CCIE Voice that are applicable to the service provider. Many service
providers still use MGCP and H.323 in addition to the emergence of SIP. The
CCIE Voice gets you in the right mindset and makes you think in ways that only
a VoIP guy knows how to think. I'm not saying it's the only way, but it
doesn't hurt to have the CCIE Voice and you will be greatly rewarded for it. At
the end of the day you need to be an incredible problem solver when it comes to
VoIP and I believe that Service Providers offer the biggest challenges for VoIP
Engineers. Hang on to those R&S skills because in the Service
Provider environment they will come in really handy - even if you're not the
core routing/switching guy. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Regards,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mark</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ramiz Sardar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 02, 2009 9:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> cisco-voip<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] CCIE Security Vs Voice</span></p>
</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
<p> </p>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Hi,<br>
I recently passed R&S and now want to go for either Voice or Security. I
have CCVP but worked on both voice and security as i am working with cisco
partner. What point discouraging me to start voice blindly is that CCIE voice
has place only on vendor side and very limited scope. I think only cisco or its
partner can pay good to a CCIE Voice where as all doors are opened for CCIE
Security. Security is ever green but don't say about Voice.<br>
<br>
My Major concerns:<br>
1. Does Service Providers use Cisco device and so do they need CCIE Voice?<br>
2. Does Enterprises have such a big voice setup that they hire CCIE Voice and
pay good?<br>
3. If a guy with computer sciences background and having ccie r&s and voice
can compete with people having telecom and voice background.<br>
<br>
Please add your comments and help me taking right decision.<br>
<br>
Regards </span></p>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
cisco-voip mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br>